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This page provides an in-depth guide to the maintenance of a Puch Maxi or Newport. This is only a starting point, and can be used by new or experienced riders.
 
This page provides an in-depth guide to the maintenance of a Puch Maxi or Newport. This is only a starting point, and can be used by new or experienced riders.
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== Moped as a Hobby ==
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Mopeds today are not bought and sold primarily as reliable transportation. Availability of parts and repair shops today in the US is non-existent when compared with cars, motorcycles, and scooter shops. For reliable transportation only, you should think long and hard before buying a moped. This is really a subculture of enthusiasts, it's not a good idea to own one unless you're willing to put in the time to maintain it and do the research on your own (there are some shops that work on mopeds, but this is fairly rare). However, the enjoyment of a moped is in the tinkering, modifications, and aesthetics of a moped. Buying a moped is like buying a VW van, the people who love them pour money and time into modifications and they spend time doing research and doing at least some of the work themselves. Most people who want to just get around cheap buy a Honda Civic, not a classic car. The same idea goes for mopeds.
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'''Bottom line: if you're wanting a moped for cheap transportation only and you have no interest beyond getting from point A to point B as cheap as possible, don't buy a moped.''' It may be a better idea to stick to scooters and motorcycles if you have no interest in the hobby aspect of mopeds, as mopeds take more attention and research than something like a Vespa scooter, Honda motorcycle, or a new cheap asian scooter. There are plenty of used scooters and motorcycles that can be had at relatively low prices, and even new asian scooters can be very cheap. Furthermore, Vespa and Honda for example are still both in business, have dealerships around the world, and have authentic stock parts available. Many shops know how to work on scooters and motorcycles. For a moped, you may be limited to one shop in your area (if you're lucky), and you'll be somewhat on your own to figure issues out.
  
 
== General Maintenance Up-Front Issues ==
 
== General Maintenance Up-Front Issues ==

Revision as of 13:24, 25 July 2015

This page provides an in-depth guide to the maintenance of a Puch Maxi or Newport. This is only a starting point, and can be used by new or experienced riders.

Moped as a Hobby

Mopeds today are not bought and sold primarily as reliable transportation. Availability of parts and repair shops today in the US is non-existent when compared with cars, motorcycles, and scooter shops. For reliable transportation only, you should think long and hard before buying a moped. This is really a subculture of enthusiasts, it's not a good idea to own one unless you're willing to put in the time to maintain it and do the research on your own (there are some shops that work on mopeds, but this is fairly rare). However, the enjoyment of a moped is in the tinkering, modifications, and aesthetics of a moped. Buying a moped is like buying a VW van, the people who love them pour money and time into modifications and they spend time doing research and doing at least some of the work themselves. Most people who want to just get around cheap buy a Honda Civic, not a classic car. The same idea goes for mopeds.

Bottom line: if you're wanting a moped for cheap transportation only and you have no interest beyond getting from point A to point B as cheap as possible, don't buy a moped. It may be a better idea to stick to scooters and motorcycles if you have no interest in the hobby aspect of mopeds, as mopeds take more attention and research than something like a Vespa scooter, Honda motorcycle, or a new cheap asian scooter. There are plenty of used scooters and motorcycles that can be had at relatively low prices, and even new asian scooters can be very cheap. Furthermore, Vespa and Honda for example are still both in business, have dealerships around the world, and have authentic stock parts available. Many shops know how to work on scooters and motorcycles. For a moped, you may be limited to one shop in your area (if you're lucky), and you'll be somewhat on your own to figure issues out.

General Maintenance Up-Front Issues

1. Before you start anything, check your local laws on registration, licensing, insurance, and any other issues. You will want to take care of all of these issues before starting with maintenance. If for example your state requires registration, you may need to get license plates so that you can ride on the streets. It will be hard to maintain your moped if you can't legally ride!

2. You need both the owner and service manuals for your model. Many manuals are available as free pdfs online. You may want to print the manuals to have a hard copy, but this is up to you. If you can't find the exact manual for your moped, there may be differences. For example, the 1977 Puch Newport has wedge type handlebars and a different wiring diagram than the 1978 Puch Maxi.

3. There are no Puch moped dealerships, so some parts can be difficult to come by, though most needed parts can be easily obtained. Many of the parts you will need for the moped can be replaced with new parts available through places like treatland, Myrons Mopeds, or 1977 mopeds. However, many of these parts are no longer made and difficult to find. For example, if you strip the wedge nut on a 1977 Newport, you cannot simply buy a new wedge nut, so you'll have to find one of ebay, or fix the wedge nut you have. Triple tree tops are no longer sold, and are not as common as they once were. If the cups in your wheels are worn down, you cannot just order new cups from a dealership. To compare with scooters for example, I can go to a Vespa dealership any day of the week and buy parts in stock for a 40 year old scooter. They still have nearly every single Vespa part available. For mopeds, this is not the case, and sometimes you'll have to hunt for parts, even though the puch maxi is one of the most common mopeds.

4. The cost of maintenance is based on your available work space, tools, and experience. Someone with a well lit garage and work bench with a full set of tools and years of experience will have a far easier time than someone who is new to mopeds working in their living room

5. If you have just bought a used moped, the best option would be to do every single maintenance item listed in the service manual. The needs of your moped may vary considerably.

6. Do not buy a single performance part until your moped is running correctly as a stock moped. A correctly running stock moped means the following: it should start on the first kick, the moped should idle while the rear wheel remains stationary, and you should be able to reach 25mph. Until all of these can be achieved, you should never buy a performance part of any kind.

Recommended Tools

If you do not own any tools, the cost of tools can be significant. Additionally, there are many ways you can go about fixing things, so this is by no means the final answer. There are many ways to obtain tools, and the quality can vary significantly. Below are recommended steps, but nothing here is definitive, and many people will disagree or use other things, but this can be used as a starting point. If you find another way that works, by all means, go ahead, and please update this page! With experience, you can build up a tool set and buy higher quality tools.

1. Metric Socket set. There are endless options here, and any basic socket set will work. One issue, you will need a 30mm socket (this will use a 1/2" drive) to torque the steering head nut. A set of Tekton sockets is one options among many others. A 30mm socket will cost about $10. Keep in mind, you will need some deep sockets, like for your carb atomizer and exhaust. If you're starting out, you can probably get all sockets for less than $20.

2. Piston stop, $7.25

3. Flywheel puller, $13.50.

4. Clutch puller, $12.50

5. 1/4" and 3/8" torque wrenches from Harbor Freight, $11 each on sale. There are many sizes of torque wrenches for reaching different specifications. You will need a torque wrench where the torque specification you're trying to achieve falls within the middle range of the torque wrench. For example, a 3/8" torque wrench has a range of 5-80 ft-lbs. It is not recommended to use this torque wrench to achieve values that are right on the ends of the values, therefore for a 6 ft-lb bolt, you will want to use a torque wrench. Many people recommend Harbor Freight, as the 3/8" and 1/4" torque wrenches go on sale for $11 each. You need to follow all torque specifications listed in the manual.

6. 15mm Cone wrench, $8.54. This is needed to remove the cone nuts on your wheels to access the ball bearings.

7. Bearing pullers, free. These can be borrowed from any auto parts store with a refundable deposit. You will need these for doing a bottom end rebuild.

8. Impact screwdriver, $9 from Harbor Freight. You will need this to remove the screws on the clutch cover and engine case, a normal screwdriver will be very difficult.

9. Feeler gauges. These are necessary for setting your ring gap, setting the spark plug gap, and setting your timing on points.

10. Timing gun. Once you've set your timing, it's good to check your timing with a timing gun.

Recommended Fluids

1. Two stroke oil. There are many options here, so there's no hard and fast answer. One option is Amsoil SABER® Professional Synthetic 2-Stroke Oil, $12/quart.

2. Automatic transmission fluid. Again, no hard and fast answer on this one. One option is Cool 2 Cool CTF-R Clutch Fluid, $13.95

3. Loctite 242, $4. When you install any fastener, it is good practice to apply some threadlocker to obtain a better connection.

4. Compressed air can. You'll want this for cleaning out your carb.

5. Carb cleaner. When you clean your carb, there are several methods. You can buy a can of compressed carb cleaner, you can soak the carb in pinesol, or and you can use compressed air to blow out the jets. You will also want a very thing piece of wire to clean out the jets, a small guitar string or piece from a wire wheel can work. Thicker wire will not be able to get into the main jet hole.

6. Permatex® Copper Spray-A-Gasket® Hi-Temp Sealant, $10 (used on gaskets in contact with the cylinder)

7. Phil Wood Grease, $10. Used for greasing up ball bearings

Recommended Parts

This section really depends on the condition of your moped. You may not need to buy a single part, or you may need to buy a considerable number of things

1. Spark plugs ($4 each, buy several), new wire, and new cap ($3). I recommend purchasing new NGK spark plugs, and NGK boot, and a 1 ft section of wire. There's no need to buy a premade boot and wire, you can make this yourself with NGK parts.

2. Ball bearings and grease. You will want to replace the ball bearings in your front and rear wheel (some have caged bearings that do not need to be replaced. A set of ball bearings for a wheel is $2, so it's good to spend the $4 and replace all ball bearings in both wheels (if they both have them). You also need some grease, Phil Wood for $7 works.

3. New fuel line, 4 fuel line clamps, and in-line fuel filter.

4. Drive chain ($24.50) and chain breaker ($27). If your chain is old and damaged, replace it. If it's just dirty, you can clean and grease it. Instead of a chain breaker, some people have used a bunch and socket.

5. Pedal chain (about $10) and chain breaker (about $10). The pins are different than the drive chain, so either get two chain breakers, or use the center punch.

6. New tires, tubes, and rim strips. There are many tire options, one popular option is the Gazelle M62 tires. However, these are larger than stock, and there are issues with fit in the front fender and rear swingarm. Tires are about $60 for the pair, tubes are less than $10 each, and rim strips can be obtained from a bicycle shop (motorcycle shops may not have this small size on hand). Velox rim strip cloth is a popular brand. If you're replacing your tires, it's a good idea to replace the inner tubes and rim strips at the same time.

7. Bicycle pump. You'll want this to pump up your tires. It is good to check your tire pressure regularly, while the moped is cold.

8. Carb rebuild set. If your moped has been sitting for decades, you will likely want to rebuild your carb to replace every single piece in the carb that isn't metal. There are carb kits that include the float, gaskets, etc.

9. New bearings and seals. A seal set is $10, and you need 4 bearings. The bearings can range from $4-$10. A new set of bearings and seals should not cost over $50.

Recommended Steps

If you really want a properly running moped, you'll need to go through this carefully when you get it. Following these steps below, you can have a rock solid and reliable moped, and all of this can be done for cheap if you take your time and plan, and do not buy expensive and unnecessary tools and parts. Most of the removal can be done with the bike on the kickstand, and I find it's easier that way. I believe all of this should be done before Fred's Guide, as this will likely eliminate the need to diagnose problems. Once you have completed this thorough process, you can then move on to verifying that you've done all of this correctly.

As a minimum, you will likely want to perform every single maintenance item in the service manual, plus follow Fred's guide. For something that's been sitting for decades, you must assume that many of the non-metal parts will need to be replaced. It's all up to you though, if you feel comfortable running around on a moped that's been sitting for 20 years without checking things in detail, it's completely up to you. If the previous owner has regularly been maintaining the moped, these items may not be necessary. However, more likely than not, many of these items have not been done in decades, and it's time to go through everything.

Removal of parts

1. Remove carb for rebuilding and cleaning. To do this, turn your petcock to the off position, and pull the fuel line from the carb. Then loosen the bolt where the carb connects to the intake. Now turn the carb to the left so the top of the carb is facing away from the bike. Now jiggle the carb till it comes off. Now unscrew the top two screws and remove the carb top from the body. Now put the carb body in a ziploc bag and set aside. Now remove the carb top from the throttle cable and put the carb top in the baggie as well. Removal of the carb should take less than 5 minutes.

2. Remove the exhaust. This is done by removing the two 10mm screws at the underside of the top end. You will deep a deep 10mm socket for this one. Removal of the exhaust should take less than 5 minutes.

2. Remove the clutch. Follow the steps for removing the clutch. Once you remove the clutch, put all parts in a plastic bag and set aside. Removing the clutch should take less than 5 minutes.

3. Remove the flywheel. Put all parts in a plastic bag. Removal of the flywheel should take less than 5 minutes.

4. Remove the top end. There are four 10mm screws holding the head onto the cylinder. Remove these 4 nuts. Now you can slide the head and cylinder from the top end. Removal of the top end should take less than 5 minutes.

5. Remove the bottom end. There are 3 bolts on the carb side of the moped. Remove these bolts. This should take less than 5 minutes.

Cleaning of Parts

Now that you've removed everything from the moped, there's an order of operations here:

  • Step 1: replace the bearings and seals in your crankcase
  • Step 2: Inspect your piston, piston rings, and cylinder, then reinstall the top end
  • Step 3: Rebuild your carb, then reinstall it
  • Step 4: clean the points on your flywheel and reinstall
  • Step 5: Inspect the condition of your clutch, and reinstall

1. Opening the crankcase, and replacing the bearings and seals. This is something that has likely not been done in decades (if ever), so it's a very good idea to do this when you get an old and poorly running moped. Follow the bottom end rebuild guide on how to install new bearings and seals. This process should take anywhere from 2-3 hours.

2. Once your engine case is sealed, let it sit for 24 hours to cure, then reinstall on the bike. Run the wires and grommet back through the case. You should now inspect the condition of the cylinder, piston, and piston ring. The piston and cylinder should be smooth, with no scoring. Look inside the cylinder. You can remove the piston ring from the piston, and place it inside the cylinder to check the ring gap against specifications. If the piston ring gap is way too large, you can buy new piston rings. If you cylinder is scored or piston damaged, you should have the cylinder bored and honed, and you will need to buy a larger piston and piston rings to match. You can bore and hone a cylinder yourself, or pay a shop like $50 to do it for you. A new piston and rings is about $25. Do not buy a kit to fix a damaged cylinder, simply fix what you have.

3. Clean up your cylinder. You should remove all remnants of the old gaskets from the exhaust and intake ports. Before you put the cylinder back on, install the intake back on the cylinder, and install a new gasket. You will need to install a new base gasket before installing the cylinder back on the bottom end. Use copper spray a gasket for these three gaskets: your intake gasket, the base gasket, and your exhaust gasket. Once your cylinder in installed, put the head back on, and torque down the nuts. If your nuts are rusted, you may want to buy M6 coupler nuts from the hardware store, and apply some loctite prior to putting the coupler nuts back on the existing studs.

4. clean and rebuild your carb. Clean out all metal parts, using the wire bit to clean all tiny holes. Replace every single part that isn't metal. Even if it looks good, it's likely not performing as it should. Check the carb diagram to be sure you have every single part on the carb. A simple cleaning is good on a well maintained carb, but if your carb has been sitting for 30 years, it's time for a rebuild. A rebuild kit shouldn't be more than $20 or so.

5. Before you put the flywheel back on, clean the points per the manufacturer recommendations.

6. You should put in a new clutch gasket before reinstalling the clutch. You have now installed all but one of the gaskets (there is another gaskets in the exhaust pipe you removed earlier. Before installing the clutch, inspect the clutch for wear. Clutch tuning can be done later, but for now install the clutch back as is. If you want to do some clutch tuning now, you will need some stiffer springs. These can be purchased for $3.50 per spring. Read more about this in the clutch tuning section. Again for stock, this isn't something you need to do.

7. Replace the spark plug, wire, and boot. Total cost should be about $10

8. Replace the fuel line and filter. Total cost should be less than $10

9. Reinstall your carb.

10. Replace the gasket in your exhaust. Now put a new exhaust gasket on the exhaust, and fit the exhaust to the underside of the cylinder. Torque down the cylinder nuts to spec. Be sure to apply loctite.