74cc Gila Kit Vs. Others

Buddy of mine is just getting into moped and wants to "GO BIG" on his first build. He is mechanically inclined and has access to speed shop machinery. I explained the process of getting the kit to work and tried to talk him out of it, but he's dead set on putting this 74cc kit in. I am currently doing a rebuild with a 70cc DMP kit, which is pretty straight forward. I was pushing him in that direction so he doesn't have to mess with his engine case. What advice or words of caution would you give him? I will be sending him this post link so he can see for himself what other "experts" have to say about this kit and process.

https://www.treatland.tv/puch-gilardoni-74cc-cylinder-reed-kit-p/puch-gilardoni-74cc-with-head.htm

thanks,

Greg

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Gila,tm24, HPI,crank pipe,claw clutch. Full send!

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Dirty30 Dillon /

If I had a nickel for every "mechanic" that jumped into mopeds with a high-dollar build only to be left angry and cashing out in one year, I would probably have a few dollars.

Your advice was incredibly wise. If he's not willing to listen to you, I don't think he'll be keen on strangers advice.

That said: shallow case matching to keep case volume low/pumping pressure high; don't go crazy with carb size (consider 24mm the maximum); don't skimp on the crank, ignition, and clutch; gasket maker does not replace a paper gasket.

GL and Godspeed, Gila Boi

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campeona del mundo /

I WAS A MACHINIST IN THE 80S MOPAR GUY BEEN TURNING WRENCH'S SINCE I WAS 12 SPENT 10 YEARS OVERSEAS FINISHED A SALT FLAT BUILD LAST YEAR

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EH 📣FCC of the QCB /

> Dirty30 Dillon wrote:

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> If I had a nickel for every "mechanic" that jumped into mopeds with a

> high-dollar build only to be left angry and cashing out in one year, I

> would probably have a few dollars.

>

> Your advice was incredibly wise. If he's not willing to listen to you, I

> don't think he'll be keen on strangers advice.

>

> That said: shallow case matching to keep case volume low/pumping

> pressure high; don't go crazy with carb size (consider 24mm the

> maximum); don't skimp on the crank, ignition, and clutch; gasket maker

> does not replace a paper gasket.

>

> GL and Godspeed, Gila Boi

^^^^all that. I mean if he want to go “big” with his first one just have him get a 70 reed kit , HPI, phbg 19(or a more easily tunable VM18) and cranks pipe….but hey…..just one dudes opinion.

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Seriously tho gila are pretty easy, if you don't go stupid porting them they are low rpm high torque basically a stock motorcycle cylinder. The vm22 basically bolts on and works out of the box. The crank pipe is smooth and predicable.

But yeah the reed kit is the way to go for sure. Reed kit, estoril, vm22. Everything bolts up, works good together, easy to tune.

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Matt Mahloch -- MBM Customs /

Gila works great. It’s a solid kit out of the box. Knowing what I know now I’d go with a Gila from the start too. I’m not sold on the hpi though. I’d save money there and stick with conservative points timing.

Chamfer ports and pistons. Gap piston rings. All that.

Gila is a solid kit. I’ve destroyed a lot of stuff but the Gila isn’t one of them.

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Are there 50cc gila's? (edited)

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🇮🇹💦 Of the Loin /

Gila is great

It's the only non Minarell Polini bolt and go kit IMO

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> Dylan Goebel wrote:

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> Are there 50cc gila's?

Only on Derby and Peugeot. Not Puch......

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> Garelli Master✨ wrote:

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> > Are there 50cc gila's?

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> Only on Derby and Peugeot. Not Puch......

Morini M1 too

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> b to the eff wrote:

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> Morini M1 too

I forgot about that one just like I misspelled Derbi 😅

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I think some stock garelli NOI are gila as well. Those are 50cc.

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> Jay Rivett wrote:

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> I think some stock garelli NOI are gila as well. Those are 50cc.

That's true, the "off road" only 35 mph cylinder IIRC? I have one that's missing a piston (thanks Andy! :D )

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Blake Totally a real doctor /

Gilardoni cast several stock cylinders. I have garelli, minarelli, and morini bikes with Gilardoni stamped cylinders. I'm sure there are several others out there. If it's an old Italian small bore and aluminum, decent chance Gilardoni cast it.

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Thanks for the info Blake!

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Dirty30 Dillon /

All late model Tomos A55 cylinders are Gilardoni as well. I saw the pallet-sized crate of them in Slovenia with the Gila name on it.

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Is the 74cc puch gila that good of a kit for $250+? Not debating just questioning. Never personally rode a bike with one. With so many options out there curious why people talk about them sooooo much. Are they like what Polini kit was 10 years ago or how Michelin gazelles were for tires 10 years ago?

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Yup, if you wanna go fast on puch, Gila's the easiest route there. Even with having to bore cases, it's really good. Pretty reliable comparatively too, folks have done pinball/bakers w Gila, theyre not idiot proof but they are idiot friendly. it's good porting, good reeds, great quality, and big.

Plus it comes with the head! sweet! A well done gila is really fast. It's the best. I still love a polini but thats a lil more finicky and a lil harder to get the most out of. Gila you just put all the big stuff on and go big fast.

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