Re: New candy for your e50

Im glad that you like the clucth, they are overbuild and will serve you a long time. Just remember that new clutch need some break in time and after will feel even better and have more smooth engagement.

This new models springs are more power, weakest model, light blue in color and similiar to factory ones but about 30% stronger so decent upgrade over them.

And this models shoes what you use now have upgraded friction materials as well, not easy to tell by look but is different than first model ones when they come out in Eu. It look similiar and receipt are very similiar but new material is more soft, it provide more constant perfomance and will not become hard and glazed from high heat and friction like we often see on factory shoes.

This are samples of both materials:

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the shoes are plasma cut, correct?

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Laser, plasma is not precise enough to cut them internaly, a lot of cutters can not do it

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> Pavo Z Wrote:

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> Laser, plasma is not precise enough to cut them internaly, a lot of

> cutters can not do it

i was gonna say that’s gotta take one hell of a plasma torch to cut steel that thick & have that small of a kerf.

do you have any recommendations for specific transmission fluids to run?

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Not really any specific to recomend, its more a personal preference.

This new reinforcement braces are made with two different laser machines, cutter and engraver.

Braces are made in two versions, standard one for screw, and slip on type, what comes in kit together with thin washers and ss circlips, so no need for drill and tap base posts anymore

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Jay Rivett /

Pavo, you are a game changer! Thank you.

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Stefan Josheski /

you're making braces for two shoe now too? That's very nice!

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Totally normal JBOT /

Crazy Wayne's been running his chainsaw clutch for at least 10 years now.

It's the only clutch that he's gotten to last behind his 13 port k-Star.

The e50 clutch is such a failure under power with it swinging arm designed.

And lack of needle bearing in the Bell.

And it's a lot easier just to turn the crank down 1mm so you can just slip needle bearing on the crank and blast.

And the angle cut gears under big power just destroys the e50 cases even with double snap ring.

The only way to fix this is to machine out the case and put in steel spacers for the bearings to fit in.

Basically the e50 is just tend to destroy themselves when the horsepower gets over six in their stock designed.

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Thank you guys, yes, two shoe braces will be on market soon along with some other products like pure race orienteded clutch with variable weight shoes, etc.

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> Fake Crazy Wayne Wrote:

> -------------------------------------------------------

> Crazy Wayne's been running his chainsaw clutch for at least 10 years

> now.

>

> It's the only clutch that he's gotten to last behind his 13 port k-Star.

>

> The e50 clutch is such a failure under power with it swinging arm

> designed.

>

> And lack of needle bearing in the Bell.

>

> And it's a lot easier just to turn the crank down 1mm so you can just

> slip needle bearing on the crank and blast.

>

> And the angle cut gears under big power just destroys the e50 cases even

> with double snap ring.

>

> The only way to fix this is to machine out the case and put in steel

> spacers for the bearings to fit in.

>

> Basically the e50 is just tend to destroy themselves when the horsepower

> gets over six in their stock designed.

Is there a thread or pictures with your clutch? I would like to see how is build

What machining of the case? For the 4th bearing? Snap ring?

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Totally normal JBOT /

You have to make the spacers on a lathe.

The ID needs to be cut for press fit on the bearings on the on the right you need to have a snap ring groove cut into the spacer.

When you need to bolt the cases together torqued.

And have a machine shop line bore the ID where the bearing set to match the OD of the spacers you make.

The spacers also need a shoulder on each side to keep it from moving in or out.

So a little bit of fly cutting might be necessary on the case so that the lip of the spacer doesn't hit the crank or clutch assembly stator etc.

Then you won't have the issues of bearing spinning due to the thermal aluminum expansion.

As far as the clutch goes it's my competitive edge and if I posted a picture of it you would double face Pam and go s*** why didn't anybody do this before.

But you're welcome to make all the case bearing retaining spacers you like.

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So, it seems that i need to sale spacers first come back with money and buy that clutch from you. I kidding, but really, thank you for spacer info, there is many things what can be improved on e50, maybe one day someone will make custom cases for it

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> Fake Crazy Wayne Wrote:

> -------------------------------------------------------

> You have to make the spacers on a lathe.

>

> The ID needs to be cut for press fit on the bearings on the on the right

> you need to have a snap ring groove cut into the spacer.

>

> When you need to bolt the cases together torqued.

>

> And have a machine shop line bore the ID where the bearing set to match

> the OD of the spacers you make.

>

> The spacers also need a shoulder on each side to keep it from moving in

> or out.

>

> So a little bit of fly cutting might be necessary on the case so that

> the lip of the spacer doesn't hit the crank or clutch assembly stator

> etc.

>

> Then you won't have the issues of bearing spinning due to the thermal

> aluminum expansion.

>

> As far as the clutch goes it's my competitive edge and if I posted a

> picture of it you would double face Pam and go s*** why didn't anybody

> do this before.

>

> But you're welcome to make all the case bearing retaining spacers you

> like.

stop gumming up this thread & go back to making weird robot music

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Yeah buddy! I love this, haven't been super impressed with any of the aftermarket options yet, because I actually think the stock is the best design, fundamentally, this is an awesome idea. Plus being that it's getting harder to find good stock clutches these days.

I just saw a post from vdm saying some of these weren't great? What's the deal with that.

Either way I love this option and if Eric says it's legit... Well.. that ol boy knows how to wreck a clutch, tell you what.

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> Graham Motzing Wrote:

> -------------------------------------------------------

>

>

> Either way I love this option and if Eric says it's legit... Well.. that

> ol boy knows how to wreck a clutch, tell you what.

Ha! This made my night. This clutch is in the bike I brought to Chicago. Going to see how it does stop light to stop light.

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The only thing I want for christmas is a 13 port kstar kit and chainsaw clutch. Please, I've been ok this yera.

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> Graham Motzing Wrote:

> -------------------------------------------------------

> Yeah buddy! I love this, haven't been super impressed with any of the

> aftermarket options yet, because I actually think the stock is the best

> design, fundamentally, this is an awesome idea. Plus being that it's

> getting harder to find good stock clutches these days.

>

> I just saw a post from vdm saying some of these weren't great? What's

> the deal with that.

>

> Either way I love this option and if Eric says it's legit... Well.. that

> ol boy knows how to wreck a clutch, tell you what.

Hm, im not sure, we change to other Netherland distributor and do not work with them for some time now. If there is any production error i will replace item, no problem with that, but also, errors are brought to minimum now as production change and all items sold under Claw brand are quality controled, every shoe is inspected and hand fited, even surface color, oxide solution, are made in house now and better quality than those in past.

This cylinder bolts are example of new oxide color. Chromoly steel, 7 mm diameter bolt to M6 threads for tight fit of cylinder, and threads are rolled instead cutted.

Black oxide and oil dip are did at the end for look but also corrosion protection

Made to last you some time : ) (edited)

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Jay Rivett /

You folks are doing the Lord's work over there. Thank you and amen.

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Those look awesome!

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Yeah that's awesome, I didn't mean anything by it, just curious, saw a post on FB, but if course being FB can't ever find it again.

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No worry. Yeah, Fb is good media for some things but lack what forums specialized forums have, great for storing photos but not so for other forms of informations.

This is from yesterday test, it takes 5 mild steel nuts to destroy rolled threads

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Totally normal JBOT /

> Pavo Z Wrote:

> -------------------------------------------------------

> No worry. Yeah, Fb is good media for some things but lack what forums

> specialized forums have, great for storing photos but not so for other

> forms of informations.

>

> This is from yesterday test, it takes 5 mild steel nuts to destroy

> rolled threads

Looks like you did the old SAE metric nut trick there

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I don't know why but the more I look at this the more those Philips head screws gross me out. What is this the 1900s might as well be flat heads so you can use a butter knife if you have to

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Unless they're JIS

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Got out and rode with the casserollers last night, Nick was running the 2 shoe one of these on his rad reeded A55 cylinder e50. Sounded damn good, really smooth linear engagement. I'm sold, next rippy e50 I build will get them.

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> Graham Motzing Wrote:

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> Got out and rode with the casserollers last night, Nick was running the

> 2 shoe one of these on his rad reeded A55 cylinder e50. Sounded damn

> good, really smooth linear engagement. I'm sold, next rippy e50 I build

> will get them.

That was me not Nick!

Unless I am Nick and I just never realized it.

Wowee (backup egg) (edited)

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> Graham Motzing Wrote:

> -------------------------------------------------------

> Got out and rode with the casserollers last night, Nick was running the

> 2 shoe one of these on his rad reeded A55 cylinder e50. Sounded damn

> good, really smooth linear engagement. I'm sold, next rippy e50 I build

> will get them.

🀘🏻🀘🏻🀘🏻🀘🏻

I think e50 owners are sleeping on these. But maybe not? May be more in the wild then I know? After trying various springs I went back to DOS springs two turns in and am super happy. All the other ones seemed to engage too quickly after the oil heated up to temp.

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Ahh Lee, I'm sorry, met a bunch of new faces and I got your names switched, so sorry!

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Jay Rivett /

Sold me on it for sure!

Lee/Eric. Maybe it has been said already but what fluid are you running these in? I had switched up to 10w30 recently but do they work better with some nice ATF?

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Last page. In the middle, I have been running Ravenoli? Can member weight and idk correct spelling off hand. Lee has been using 0w20. The oil I have been using is for centrifugal clutches. Found out about it on some dirt bike forum. People use it in their kids KTM 50s. Seems to work well.

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