typical gila porting thread..

Alex Hedrick /

let's see some pictures of your porting in ya gila.. crazy, safe, not safe. I dont care.

Let's see it all and data to back the photos!!

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Fingered intake, widened & squared exhaust up a bit. Nothing crazy. With vertex piston and a countersunk head would rev out 13k+ on derbi piston port. After blowing those cases, slapped it on an e50 and still chasing getting it dialed in. Stroker crank fixes spacing issues with vertex piston, so un-countersunk head to match flatter piston profile. Broke skirt on piston so waiting on parts atm

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EH 📣FCC of the QCB /

That looks good. Doing the fingers to the intake help a lot. It is like adding bost ports with out being a pain in the ass to make. How much more room do you have on the sides of the exhaust port to go? As in how close are you to the ring gap?

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Here are some shitty pics of mine.

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Ring gap rides in the middle finger. Seems weird at first but polini is like that and it's fine. I might be able to get a bit wider on exhaust but don't wanna yet

I think I went too big on windows

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Use a eurokit piston

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Lol wut^^^^ how’s that going? Or is that a troll post?!

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EH 📣FCC of the QCB /

I have seen the idea of open transfer Gila before but that intake is nuts.....

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🇮🇹💦 Of the Loin /

Did you take the cylinder off Rafters bike lol

P sure this was the first Gila on a V1 if so

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Sander Mulder /

Why would u do that 😂

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Alex Hedrick /

I'm seeing some interesting stuff here.. but not enough!!

I must see more with explanations!! Come on, don't be afraid to post your secret porting shit here..

my intentions are not to copy porting.. i just like discussing and seeing different ideas!

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Matt Mahloch -- MBM Customs /

I'd like to try an open transfer Gila, I've contemplated making the alteration time and time again but have never pulled the trigger.

This is my 70+ MPH cylinder, nothing crazy to look at but its fast. Very nice case match, cylinder is pinned to the case, cases are pinned together, everything has been squared up, cylinder skirts matched to the transfers in the cases. Port timing, port area & volume all modified. Squish, piston height in relation to the exhaust and transfers at BDC all corrected. Just a well put together engine.

Port timings are 192 exhaust, 130 main transfers, 118 auxiliary transfer, 152 intake, giving it 31 blow down. Main transfers shooting up 12 and auxiliary transfer shooting up 45.

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Sander Mulder /

> Alex Hedrick Wrote:

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> I'm seeing some interesting stuff here.. but not enough!!

>

> I must see more with explanations!! Come on, don't be afraid to post

> your secret porting shit here..

>

> my intentions are not to copy porting.. i just like discussing and

> seeing different ideas!

well....

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Sander Mulder /

not mine, but thats how i would like to see it. havent got any 'normal' gilardoni's anymore :))

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Alex Hedrick /

> Sander Mulder Wrote:

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> > Alex Hedrick Wrote:

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> > -------------------------------------------------------

>

> > I'm seeing some interesting stuff here.. but not enough!!

>

> >

>

> > I must see more with explanations!! Come on, don't be afraid to post

>

> > your secret porting shit here..

>

> >

>

> > my intentions are not to copy porting.. i just like discussing and

>

> > seeing different ideas!

>

> well....

Well is correct!! Damn! That is absolutely clean!! And looks like it revs to the moon!!! You got any numbers for that beast!?

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Sander Mulder /

18.5 hp (at wheel)

Tuned for drag racing, so good torque

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> Sander Mulder Wrote:

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> > Alex Hedrick Wrote:

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> > -------------------------------------------------------

>

> > I'm seeing some interesting stuff here.. but not enough!!

>

> >

>

> > I must see more with explanations!! Come on, don't be afraid to post

>

> > your secret porting shit here..

>

> >

>

> > my intentions are not to copy porting.. i just like discussing and

>

> > seeing different ideas!

>

> well....

very clean tooling

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EH 📣FCC of the QCB /

Interesting. The ring land would pass right over the Aux exhaust ports.

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> EH FCC of the QCB Wrote:

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> Interesting. The ring land would pass right over the Aux exhaust ports.

Maybe you mean the ring ends ?

And if so , what are the ring ends doing on that side of the piston ?

They should be toward the rear .

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EH 📣FCC of the QCB /

No.... I was taking about the ring gap. On a standard Gila piston the ring gap would pass right through those AUX ports.

Unless ring pin has been relocated or using the Vertex piston. I believe that is at the top like a polini....but I can’t memeber.....my BrAiN tired.

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Sander, what's going on with those threaded stud holes? Entire hole threaded, send in a spacer with a hole in the middle to close aux port off from stud holes and center cylinder?

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Sander Mulder /

> jordan * Wrote:

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> Sander, what's going on with those threaded stud holes? Entire hole

> threaded, send in a spacer with a hole in the middle to close aux port

> off from stud holes and center cylinder?

I dont know, i’ve asked, but it’s some tuner secret

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azzkikinvette,

Looks really good! A very careful case match should probably not be underestimated. Also, port timing you have found seems to work amazingly well.

It is valuable to have such information as a reference. Do you think the two additional transfer ports on the suction side (as seen later on this thread) of the cylinder would give even more power and top speed? (edited)

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> jordan * Wrote:

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> Sander, what's going on with those threaded stud holes? Entire hole

> threaded, send in a spacer with a hole in the middle to close aux port

> off from stud holes and center cylinder?

Seems to me that those are not stud holes at all .

Looks every bit like they are meant to accept head bolts and the base holes seem to be fitted with something similar to time-serts .

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> P D Wrote:

> Seems to me that those are not stud holes at all .

>

> Looks every bit like they are meant to accept head bolts and the base

> holes seem to be fitted with something similar to time-serts .

I'd be interested in seeing how the case looks! Like if they put bolts going thru the cases that thread into those inserts to clamp cylinder down or if there's some flange mount adapter thing going on? Just tryna wrap my head around it

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> jordan * Wrote:

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> > P D Wrote:

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> > Seems to me that those are not stud holes at all .

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> >

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> > Looks every bit like they are meant to accept head bolts and the base

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> > holes seem to be fitted with something similar to time-serts .

>

> I'd be interested in seeing how the case looks! Like if they put bolts

> going thru the cases that thread into those inserts to clamp cylinder

> down or if there's some flange mount adapter thing going on? Just tryna

> wrap my head around it

That would be interesting .

I can imagine what would have to happen , but , just how they did it ???

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EH 📣FCC of the QCB /

> Otto Pappa Wrote:

> It is valuable to have such information as a reference. Do you think the

> two additional transfer ports on the suction side (as seen later on this

> thread) of the cylinder would give even more power and top speed?

100% yes. Adding the two bost ports to the intake is a huge advantage.

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Matt Mahloch -- MBM Customs /

> Otto Pappa Wrote:

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> Do you think the two additional transfer ports on the suction side (as seen later on this thread) of the cylinder would give even more power and top speed?

This is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt but I think adding auxiliary ports narrow the power band while increasing torque throughout that power band being best suited for sprint bikes rather than top speed bikes.

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That open transfer gila was for a ZA. Only reason that was done was a crank blew and took out the cylinder. It has been saved.

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> Matt Mahloch -- MBM Customs wrote:

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> > Otto Pappa Wrote:

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> > Do you think the two additional transfer ports on the suction side (as

> seen later on this thread) of the cylinder would give even more power

> and top speed?

>

> This is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt but I think

> adding auxiliary ports narrow the power band while increasing torque

> throughout that power band being best suited for sprint bikes rather

> than top speed bikes.

There are only a few examples of adding boost ports in the literature, but here is one:

"Graham Bell - Two Stroke Performance tuning"

The cylinder (Bultaco Matador 250cc) in factory condition is of course not exactly the same as Italkit's Gilardoni, but the results show that adding two boost ports has brought more power to the entire rev range by about 5...10%.

These boost ports are similar to the one boost port in the Gila, i.e. oriented quite vertically.

I think it's interesting that in the same test, the 360-degree Inlet has been changed to 200 degrees, with which the power has been increased even more. Now, however, the power increase is aimed at the upper end of the rev range and the power decreases slightly at lower revs.

So do you have a 152deg Inlet on the Gila and do your piston have those factory made two holes right below the piston rings? Thank you.

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