Morini Pacer UH-OH I KiDDED MYSELF

Hi All,

I've been working on helping my cousin kit this Morini Pacer so it can blast! I've found very little info on here as far as what's involved so I figured I'd contribute some of my experience so far.

So when my cousin bought this bike The Shanks had already added the mk3 pipe and custom mounted a SHA on to it and it was going a SOLID 28 mph....

so we ordered the MORINI EUROCILINDRO 45MM REED VALVE KIT FOR M01/M02 from DOS Cycles

https://www.doscycles.com/products/morini-eurocilindro-45mm-reed-valve-kit-for-m01-m02?_pos=43&_sid=ae06cec38&_ss=r&variant=19784504836

and the morini M0 M01 M1 super stuffy RACE crankshaft from Treats

https://www.treatland.tv/morini-M0-M01-M1-super-stuffy-RACE-crankshaft-p/morini-m1-m01-super-stuffy.htm

For this kit the case needed to be bored out to fit the skirt and JB weld material was added to help seal it up after I matched the case.

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I ran into issues taking the engine case apart with the flywheel. The fly nut was stripped and i had to drill it out. after drill the nut out I discovered the threads for the puller were to damaged to use. so i tried pulling it with a 3 jaw puller and the flywheel bent instead of popping off so I had to cut the flywheel off with angle grinder I tried to steer clear of the coils underneath but nicked them enough to have to replace those as well. :(

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after that whole shit show, I finally get the case apart to bore and case match for the kit. That was pretty simple process I used a 2" sanding drum and went slow checking for fitment as I went. when I was done case matching, the transfers were really close to the edge so I was worried about it sealing properly. I decided the easiest quick fix for that was to just add jb weld material to help those gaskets work.

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We are still in the process of getting everything put back together proper, but already i had to do some significant grinding of the cylinder to get the intake that came with the kit to seat properly, I also need to shave off some from the sides of the reed block. I matched the intake and reed block as well (didn't have a pic of the finished matched reed but it's almost there in the pic)

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we are getting everything back together now , case shimming is VERY important apparently. We had everything bind on us a couple times before we realized the aftermarket case gasket was too thin and had to cut our own and the service manual called for a shim on the clutch output shaft that wasn't there when we took it apart and wasn't needed after all. I'll post some more up once we get it on the bike and chugging

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seems legit. I had to add some JB to the trnsfers on my morini too. rad bike

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What size SHA are you running?

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15.15 SHA for now.

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>>>taykoff [s2m] /

Nice documentation and solid work! Look forward to seeing the progress report on this...

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When your done can you help me with my project? I would really ask if you weren't all the way out in Austin. I found some puller in my dads tools that fits in the holes on the side to just pull the flywheel off. I might post a pic of it but i never asked him what it was. I always thought reeds was too much work because you have to replace the intake and everything too. I got the morini mo1 with the 60cc cylinder kit mk3 pipe phbg 19mm matching intake. but it just runs terrible. I cant even mount the kickstand with the mk3 pipe.

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Kenny, We had to custom mount the pipe and re-weld it to get it out of the way of the stand, and an intake is easy enough to make and run any carb if you make it a rubber mount.

I've run into a problem trying to get the case halves back together proper though. Everything seems to be in place and spins, but when I spin the pedals forward it engages everything and spins the crank, they shouldn't do that without me pulling the clutch engagement right? Could it be shimmed wrong or possibly I re-assembled it wrong? I was pretty sure, according to the manual, that I had everything in place. anyone ever have this problem?

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Ok so after tinkering with the clutch some, I figured out I was tightening down the clutch nut too much causing it to engage. I back it off slightly and added some red to keep it in place. Moving on.

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Dirty30 Dillon /

You should be able to crank that nut on there and not have it bind. Seems like a re-shim would take care of that so you don't need to worry about the crank nut coming undone in the case and causing havoc

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I tried shimming the clutch from behind the bell, and also again behind the clutch,in multiple configurations but the further I spaced it out the easier it would bind so much so, I could barely get the nut hand tight before it would grab. I was able to get the nut down all the way with the original way I had it setup (service manual), but I just had to back the nut off slightly not even a 1/4 turn. I wasn't using a torque wrench and I have been known to over wrench with my gorilla grippers. So that might of been it...idk

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Hows this coming along? This weekend I was case matching for a Gila and blew through the wall in the transfer, JB curing right now, going to open the clutch side and add some more on the inside to hold, hopefully it'll last.

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finally got all the little bits I needed to rebuild the stator side. I'm slapping it together tomorrow so we'll seeeeeeeee

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update, got it started up finally yesterday. didn't have the correct jet in yet so I haven't run it too much, but it seems like the clutch is slipping too much and isn't really grabbing. I need to take a look in there and see what's going on. sounds pretty good so far though, even with the wrong jet, if I leave the choke on it idles ok , but I also mixed rich for the break in. (edited)

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Probably Fred /

> Brent Bhuiyan Wrote:

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> update, got it started up finally yesterday. didn't have the correct jet

> in yet so I haven't run it too much, but it seems like the clutch is

> slipping too much and isn't really grabbing. I need to take a look in

> there and see what's going on. sounds pretty good so far though, even

> with the wrong jet, if I leave the choke on it idles ok , but I also

> mixed rich for the break in.

Choke on means too lean, too much oil is not any better than too little oil Because it could gum up a tight clearance not broken in ring and make you snag it or score cylinder

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Interesting roffman I've never heard about oil gumming a new kit, I could of swore I said I hadn't re-jetted it properly yet too. What I meant by a little rich is I added a cap full to the tank because I knew I was running lean and just trying to see if it would start up. I haven't even ridden it around the block yet because of the clutch issue.

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Cool, how did this turn out? Mad respect to anyone digging into morinis, super cool engines but so little knowledge and support state side.

I don't think too much oil is a thing, I break in with dominator at 30:1. Especially with cast iron kits. I think thats another krazy Ken konspiracy theory!

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EH 📣FCC of the QCB /

I do a heavy dominator mix on new kits too. That bike looks awesome good job on adding the material to the cases. JB weld can either be victorious if done properly. However done poorly it can be a recipe for almost Incurable air leaks.

Good write up so far. I always wish more people would do this.

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I have never used jb weld before. How long will this last? It won't just vibrate loose and separate from the case? I just pulled a taillight off a bike that instead of making a bracket it just got kinda rigged up with jb weld. I had to yank on it a little to get itbto come off but after I got it off I could easily take it off with my fingernails. Was pretty brittle. I would think that with all the vibrations and heat it would just crumble and fail.

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EH 📣FCC of the QCB /

I used it to add to a kits transfers before. It works okay if you let it cure properly and if there is a lot you have to wait longer. Seen lots of dude use it before it is sandwiched with the kit and the kit still rests on the original cases. Biggest this is roughing up the surface and making sure it is clean 🧼

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I have JB Weld on a motor case that has a small crack .

I wire brushed the area and finished it with a good dose of brake cleaner .

Pressed the JB into the crack as much as possible and left a layer around and over the crack about 3/32nds thick .

That was 5 or 6 years ago . Many hours and lots of heat cycles on that motor .

The JB is still in fine condition , just a touch darker . ;)

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Probably Fred /

> Graham Motzing wrote:

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> Cool, how did this turn out? Mad respect to anyone digging into

> morinis, super cool engines but so little knowledge and support state

> side.

>

> I don't think too much oil is a thing, I break in with dominator at

> 30:1. Especially with cast iron kits. I think thats another krazy Ken

> konspiracy theory!

It’s not a conspiracy

My experience is based on actual experience since 1970s

Not by being taught from someone who just has to published a paper to teach

I worked at a marina that was a authorized service center for many brands of outboards. servicing new and used outboards .

Engine manufactures that had the break-in period to use double amount of oil for break in period (25to1)

All came back needing powerhead changing because rings were stuck in the grooves and build up underneath the ring damaged cylinder walls/premature wear.

Service bulletins were issued for force/Chrysler and other outboard manufactures do not put more than 50 to 1 oil ratio during break in

The problems disappeared,

Polini issued a service bulletin 12-15 years ago to decrease the amount the oil used in puch kits to the ratio of to 60 to 1

Because problems with the thin small ring getting stuck and buildup underneath ring made it bulge out it causing the ring to snag

Too much oil gums up the ring makes them stick and score that’s just what it is.

if you use a high amount oil in the gas mix you need take apart your topend frequently to clean rings and other things like exhaust ports.

That’s why every new used bike I get

one of the first things I do to the engine besides service magneto is to remove the top end to inspect,

Most times one or two rings are seized/stuck because people think more oil is better

Car engines get damaged by putting too much oil in them too because the crank hits the high oil level whipping air into it making for less oil pressure not more like people think!

More oil then what manufacturers recommend in the mix is not better and should only be used if you’re racing and you take apart your engine frequently

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That all sounds accurate for old oil

The ‘75 harley I got over the summer has castor oil gluing everything down

My mopeds run nothing but full synthetic oil. Never smoke. Only have minimal carbon buildup on the piston crown and very little accumulation anywhere else.

I think running excess of the dino or castor mist be bad. My experience with synthetic is that too much is wasteful, but inconsequential. Maybe a little more crap on the piston crown, but I haven’t tried running a rich oil mix long enough to notice.

What about that 100:1 stuff puchshop advertises all the time? Anyone use that?

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🇮🇹💦 Of the Loin /

Its totally a conspiracy

cast iron kit == treat it like a cast iron pan

sIEZEon that kit, youre gonna need to wear off any factory abnormalities with a good soft sieze or 2.

You might think I am joking but I am not. Cast Iron is a different beast and these nikasil lovers don't know how to treat it

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Depends on how you ride, also. If you're flat out all the time, running super rich is fine.

My polini V1 race bike has 70+ hours of track time with klotz beanol at 20:1 and looks brand new, aside from a bit of burnt carbon on the piston.

I've run my cimatti Gran prix V1 polini on 20:1 klotz on the street (usually just using up my extra race mix) for hundreds of miles and it's still clean, never soft seized, and runs great (and smells nice, too.)

But I ride it flat out all the time. It's a 53mph bike and I hit that for extended periods of time, every ride.

Only thing I've had to do is run a hotter plug (B6 from B7) because it would foul out every other month.

But if you're the slow cruiser type that never does any maintenance, you're gonna get clogged up running it super rich.

At least that's my experience.

But the oil debate will continue on forever.

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Kevin Bishop /

Amsoil dominator 30:1 break in,

60:1 after rings are seated.

Never had a problem

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