MOPED ARMY

If you're making your intake outta copper 45s and hose clamps maybe you're not quite ready for aluminum welding.

Your gonna mash those gears into dust anyways so why mash em faster with MORE torque?

Yeah you're right... Plus

I don't know much about mopeds because it's sort of a new hobby for me ... I have only doing this off and on for a couple Summers... These darn mopeds just get you brainstorming a lot and they are taking up alot of space in my mind throughout the day when I should be concentrating on electrical work at my job...lol

I know they have like vforce 8 pedal reeds available and most racing bikes have reeds... But then again it's just mopeds... I thought how cool would it be to have an intake and carburetor setup that I don't have to change everyone I get a new kit.. only checking for worn reeds and air leaks every once in awhile ... It would save work and time...

I'll just block it out of my mind and focus on this build and then when I decide to go with another kit I'll end up buying another intake or fabricating one out of rubber hoses and hose clamps with plumbing parts because intakes are expensive...

I've watched videos on how to strokes work but I haven't read much about them and I think that's what I need to start doing then I probably could answer most of my own questions... Then I wouldn't have to get on here anymore and ask anyone else

..thank you

Look dude,

Don't get all butt hurt.

If you wanna do it, do it.

That's what we do.

You have to be brave, you have to break shit and make bad decisions to learn.

So go ahead. Add a reed block to the cases. Lots of posts on how to convert to case reed. Search.

Then disassemble your cases and go for it. Do it with fucking jb weld.

It doesn't matter. None of this matters.

If you're not willing to try then you're not deserving of the improved machine.

Just a navigation tip are you using flat view or threaded view? Click on Flat view if your not.

If you want to make it case inducted go for it. But I would get another motor to play with. I would build that motor as is. Either make a new intake or modify that one. But like Jbot said with any real torque your going to tear that trans to shreds. People who have hard hitting Tomos motors spend a lot of time getting their clutches and gears right. Read Jake Cain’s thread about Toby. Good Tomos information. People put big kits and case induct e50s caus they can take more abuse.

It would be cool to see you try it, but if your doing case induction get good at aluminum welding or using the aluminum sticks with a good torch. Welding on cases that have been soaked in oil for years in not easy. I just don’t recommend doing that out the gate with out a backup plan.

Here it is......

Toby Race Bike (edited)

Thank you very much...

I have read his a bunch of times actually.... But I've never seen a follow-up... I know he tore his crank up but he also had it HPI ignition and I believe that gives you more RPMs.... I think his fun so fast it's stripped the crank completely.... But that is the best Tomos bike forum I've ever read... He ended up milling down all of his gears and making everything lighter and dumping as much as he could and then he got a pull start from a chainsaw and added that to the side and he is a very very good welder.... I have got sticks and I have been messing around with them but I'm just starting out... I didn't realize the e50s can take more abuse and that's why people are harder on them.... I'm back in the day I understand the clutch was a very weak part of the engine but now we have these new clutches and they should be okay.... I think he blew his Conrad needle bearing up also and replaced it with a Weisco.... I did get one of those and installed it.... I'm not going to race my engine... But I think it would be great to have that torque there for when I need it but who am I kidding...there's not one other person with a moped who lives around me except for my wife and I bought it for her... All the rallies are hours away...I did have a blast last year at the Gettysburg rally that I went to and I met some really cool people.... I just don't understand why I have to hear so much crap just to get a straight answer... It almost makes me wish I never got bit by the moped bug because it's killing me.... I feel like I want to start a little club or something and just have fun.... And I'm hoping my kiddos when they get a little older they go out to the shed and start taking them apart and building their own stuff.... Maybe that'll keep him out of trouble.... I used to mess with BMX bikes tearing them apart when I was younger....back in the day they didn't have intake for every motor and they didn't have welding rods that you could use a torch and weld anything non magnetic... Thanks for the reply back...

I've had as much fun blowing shit up and ripping, lol. Even though it means I fucked up royally there's something exciting about pulling that head off and seeing the carnage inside

Tomos R&D kinda already built this motor for you, although only the one.

Completely bonkers for Tomos, who have produced the same motor over and over.

Case inducted, kickstart, large transfer, subframe-style mount, whacky external ignition coil + pickup.

Pretty sure that is the tomos “all motor” engine. They were prototyping a motor that could go on boats, bikes, farm equipment ect. And be very interchangeable so if your neglected pos boat threw a rod you could ride your moped over and slap the engine from that the on it.

All of which could likely be had using S&H Green Stamps . ;)

I don't know why my last comment didn't show up...

And I was saying I learned a lot from yesterday's post... I'm going to complete this build on this engine and leave it as is.... And then I'm going to take another Tomos engine and I'm going to make it into a reed inducted case Tomos.. especially now that I know that the welding rods are not a gimmick and they do work I'm going to start there And keep

practicing... I enjoyed boring mycase for the metrakit...

Since my next engine will be reed inducted I will be able to change my kits anytime want without messing with an intake and I will save me time and money... I'm going to put this big hog of an engine on a nice top tank made from a heavy revival frame... My gearing will be limited but that's fine because it's not like I'm racing these mopeds... Believe me I'm sure with a gila kit and an HPI ignition you're going to get maximum RPMs and it will blow up and shred my gears ...Then who knows maybe I'll take that av7 I have and cut some reeds into that Moby.. . Or maybe I'll take that 65 KTM engine and put it on the moby.... Either way I really appreciate all the help....

I apologize that my writing looks like a Big blob of s***.... Sometimes I forget that there's people on here who are not interested in helping even though I was never asking for help... I was asking on the information about the performance on cutting reeds into your Tomos block ... Also you're right my thoughts are kind of all over the place.... But all that shows is that on motivated and I have a lot of ideas going through my head and I'm ready to make it happen.... Somebody commented and said that making a Tomos case Reed inducted will have more power and that's good news... Cheers to everyone... I'll get the engine mounted tonight... And tomorrow I'm going to start on the fitting of the pipe... Ripppin dicks y'all...

Case induction vs cylinder induction are like 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other. Pretty much all manufacturers went to case reeds for ease of production, not for any sort of performance benefits. The only gain on a tomos is that you wouldn’t be limited to puch/tomos kits. You could put a derbi kit on it or go full scooter, also bigger reeds would possible without lowering your motor mounts.

Okay so case inducted vs cylinder inducted reeds doesn’t matter to much. The idea of running case induction helps free up a lot of room in the cylinder to add more stuff like a third transfer. Piston ports are able to with stand higher rpms and will not suffer from reed flutter.

Personally I like the reed route because I’m super lazy and can get away with so much with a reed set up and still have good performance from it. Forget blow down , just forget it

Always.

Even cyl reed.

Cut the cyl reed for 360 deg intake and if you don't enlarge/raise the exh much it will still have excellent low blowdown for a very wide power band.

Get some scratch paper and write it down. Damn

Okay okay, how much for a paperweight? (edited)