Tomos a35 gilardoni

Has anybody done this build and mind sharing the case modifications that was necessary? Any welding or just grinding away? Intake setups ? My bike is a targa lx if that matters

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Pretty sure on most a35 cases the transfers won’t seal up. Intake clearance is tight, but I think they sell one off the shelf at treats. Pretty sure there is an exhaust as well, but don’t quote me on that. Once you get it fitted up and dialed in be prepared to constantly reline our clutches.

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If you have the old a35 cases you have to weld then. If you have the new a35 cases there is a lot of grinding to be done.

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The bike in the photo has an A3 bottom end, not A35. If you were going to build a motor for that bike I'd start with the late a35 cases which have more material around the transfers. Of course a55 cases would probably work too.

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> The bike in the photo has an A3 bottom end, not A35. If you were going

> to build a motor for that bike I'd start with the late a35 cases which

> have more material around the transfers. Of course a55 cases would

> probably work too.

I thought it looked like A3 clutch cover but didn't say anything because my eyes play tricks early in the morning......

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So this is a a3 motor? I'm new to these bikes but I'm a gearhead so not afraid to dig into it. What would be best bottom end to swap into this bike to build up?

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You can mount the Gila to A3 cases but the transfers need welding in the magneto side and clutch side, not just the sealing face of the cases. It’s a lot especially for the welder. I don’t even weld my cases anymore and leave it to somebody I trust and that’s easy to work with.

A35 can except a Gila with just welding the transfer area face and matching it as normal without blowing through the case sides. Just have to use care. I ain’t never seen two types of A35 cases as stated above. A55 cases are pretty much turn key when fitted with Gilardoni.

A35 only welded on the face. Street mate.

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Look up Jake Cain’s TOBY build, also “Quickly” for clutch stuff

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So my best bet to do the Gila build is swap to a35 bottom end?

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todd amundson /

No best bet is skip welding and find A55 cases from a piston port late model Tomos but A35’s are everywhere. I think that we that have gone Gila on a Tomos just worked with what we had. But A55 cases is what we all wanted in the beginning

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Your best bet is to not do the gila on a tomos at all, it seems like you a re mis/underinformed about what is needed. You will need essentially a complete new engine set up to use the gila and not blow up your engine/clutches. Try the basic 70cc alu-kit or airsal set up and move from there.

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The bike is already 70cc

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What are you after?

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Fuck it. Do the Gila. If you can weld the cases or have access to having them welded and machined, then do it! You are gonna break a lot lot cluches. But you will get to learn how to fix them or make them better.

If your goal is to just have a bike to ride, then this path is gonna be frustrating to say the least. If you just wanna hot rod the heck out of a moped, then Gila that puppie up! Take chaces, make mistakes, get messy!

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Does this help identify engine?

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It's definitely a A3. The first cover is the A3 cover and the second is a35/55. You can clearly see the difference.

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Overpriced Parts /

Yeah so many kits for a35 Tomos that Gila is not needed

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So really contemplating pulling the a3 and selling it and going to a later model engine possibly a a55 from a streetmate. Bolt in swap I assume then sort out wiring ? I appreciate everybody's help on this thread and topic I really do

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> So really contemplating pulling the a3 and selling it and going to a

> later model engine possibly a a55 from a streetmate. Bolt in swap I

> assume then sort out wiring ? I appreciate everybody's help on this

> thread and topic I really do

You want more power or top speed?

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Yes

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I want both but I want the biggest upgrade path I can have within the tomos platform and I like the electric start and cdi ignition features of the newer engines. I'm a gearhead this is one of many projects I have that I tinker with to occupy time.

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> I want both but I want the biggest upgrade path I can have within the

> tomos platform and I like the electric start and cdi ignition features

> of the newer engines. I'm a gearhead this is one of many projects I have

> that I tinker with to occupy time.

The Gila will kill starters in short order. The newer cases are made of softer metal so don't be surprised if you pull a stud. It's happened. They are easier to put the Gila on though. A true "gearhead" would work with what he has. Just saying......... (edited)

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The other issue with the a3 is that it may still have the 10mm bushing crank. I honestly think your mild kit on an a3 isn't a bad setup for daily use. You could pick up a little extra power with additional tuning like the pipe and carb for example.

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So scored a cheap a55 I assume is out of a later model tomos st etc it's a black case motor has cdi ignition setup etc 2008 model so once it shows up. I'm gonna resume this project. I assume to have to build a custom intake and reworked exhaust header. And of course the wiring

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> So scored a cheap a55 I assume is out of a later model tomos st etc

> it's a black case motor has cdi ignition setup etc 2008 model so once it

> shows up. I'm gonna resume this project. I assume to have to build a

> custom intake and reworked exhaust header. And of course the wiring

Watcha go do wit engine on it?

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Probably will sell old engine if anyone has interest

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Probably will sell old engine if anyone has interest

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