Moby Av10 Er3 tuning

Moped army, I'm having some issue finding information on how to fine tune my ER3. Its a full 50cc doppler build, Cylinder, crank, reeds, spring, 19mm phpg.

My issue is that unless I run just 1 of the smallest weights on either side of the Er3 it will try on engage my belt at idle. Now if I run just 1 on either side it takes off normal but i cannot get the cheek to close and the bike never variates.

What i would like is the thing to have really nice take off and low end without revving to the moon.

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Re: Moby Av10 Er3 tuning

Doppler spring is probably too stiff for your set up, it is far too stiff for most.

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Cristian Luna /

Yeah definitely the Doppler spring I ran that same exact set up with a stock spring

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Cool, Thanks for the help guys i'll remove the doppler spring and see how it goes. why all those weighs if you only need ligther ones?

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Anyone have a good source for variator tuning knowledge?

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it's always going to grab the belt at idle, since there isn't anything holding the sheaves apart it's going to try to close when its spinning. as long as it isn't trying to move the bike it's fine.

with a heavier spring you will need heavier weights than if you had a light spring.

with a lighter stock spring you need lighter weights. this has the advantage of causing less drag on the belt. the downside is that the variator can close too quickly and drag the engine towards the pulley and the engine can bounce. also since there is less spring force when you slow down the variator wants to stay closed. that's why you use a launch lever, to hold the engine when you launch the bike and to push it back when you slow down/enter a corner

with a heavier spring you won't have these problems but you need heavier weights to counteract the spring.

you are not using enough weight. the bike in the picture has about 6.5 gram on each arm. with the doppler spring you need more than that. I only ever used the stock spring so I use more like 8 gram on each arm. so you need more for sure.

I made a spreadsheet a while back of all the weight combinations+screw weights in grains, there is a similar table in the wiki but it is way off, the weights are wrong, also there are actually 4 different size doppler weights, and it doesn't account for the screws.

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i should also mention that i have a kickstart and a kick start er3

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kevin Smellaflange /

if anyone is building a launch lever

please take pics step by step...

i'd be interested in that work up.

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> Ross Derer Wrote:

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> What i would like is the thing to have really nice take off and low end

> without revving to the moon.

> without revving to the moon.

> without revving to the moon.

> without revving to the moon.

> without revving to the moon.

lol wut?

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Dirty30 Dillon /

You built the wrong bike if you were looking for low rpm grunt.

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Jonathan Feldman /

> Dirty30 Dillon Wrote:

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> You built the wrong bike if you were looking for low rpm grunt.

I didn't wanna say it.. but he said it for me.

Doppler 50 Moby is about as high revving as they come.. zero low end. Or in my experience that is. Absolutely dead untill maybe 8k.

That French 50 life... no torque but the rpms just keep goin n goin.

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Variator tuning at WIKI ,Ross.

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Any one have any experience with the Doppler yellow spring?

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Its much more suited to everyday riding without a launch lever. I think the stock spring with the bracket shimmed out would be fine on your set up.

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i have the stock spring but i cannot locate the little hook bracket, but as an alternate i have the doppler setup already so another spring isnt a big deal as long as its gonna help me get where i need to be

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Could probably find the right size spring at ace hardware

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I gotta bring this thread back to life.

With all this newfound free time on my hands, I started trying to really tune things up. Since i last spoke i found that i had an air leak coming from my variator side seal. Fixed that mess. Spoke to a guy that new a good bit about 2 strokes and we got things nice and dialed. A 50- or even a 60 slide in a phbg is a must if you dont want to run rich in 1/8 throttle.

Ok i'll digress. Anyone running a doppler white spring is there a way to rev into my power band before the variator grabs but also fully variate at top speed. I have a launch leaver but i cant seem to be able to keep the cheeks from closing down enough to make me have to roll in to the pipe.

I feel like im not doing a good job explaing this. i would like full varation but no grab untile i am in full power band

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So what you're saying is that you want a clutch? Your bike doesn't have one.

> Ross Derer Wrote:

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i would like full varation but no grab untile i am in full power band

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Barack Obama /

> Thomas Smith Wrote:

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> So what you're saying is that you want a clutch? Your bike doesn't have

> one.

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> > Ross Derer Wrote:

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> i would like full varation but no grab untile i am in full power band

Your not making an sense! A cvt is used to keep the bike in the power band the entire time. You must tune your cvt stay in the power band thrue the entire variation not just at fully var. Iv noticed multiple problems with a Motobecane & pug set up. The biggest problem is the Fucking belt tension when using strong springs, it locks up the entire system and binds. Belt tension is good but not when the belt is Being used as a “rope” to tug the entire motor back. I think a helper spring to remove some tension from the belt would be usefull.

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Go back to the stock spring and stuff it so you have some tunability in the counter spring. Trouble with the aftermarket compression springs is that they are not progressive springs, so you can not really tune the preload.

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Barack Obama /

> Rebel Moby Wrote:

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> Go back to the stock spring and stuff it so you have some tunability in

> the counter spring. Trouble with the aftermarket compression springs is

> that they are not progressive springs, so you can not really tune the

> preload.

To much preload no good! Makes system bind

Re: Moby Av10 Er3 tuning

Do a Google search for adjustable model airplane shock absorbers they're the sweet ticket and with the adjustable dappening you won't get goating.

Works great as an addition with the stock spring that is if you haven't lost all the parts har har

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