Gonna switch my caio back to a stock-ish motor, maybe with a kinetic cylinder or a lil' 50 kit. my ass is getting too old to hit potholes going 50 on a full rigid.
i'd like something super quiet with better than stock performance
we've got:
Then the Sito + which isn't on treats but i bet i could find one somewhere.
I dunno not a lot of reviews out there, anyone messing around with stocker rocker alley blaster ninja mode vespas?
Following, because I'm getting tired of listening to the Proma on my Bravo.
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> Following, because I'm getting tired of listening to the Proma on my
> Bravo.
Amen haha
The vespa proma is so damn loud. It's almost painful to be around
I like my bikes quiet .
My FA50 is quiet enough that some folks don't know it's running until I twist the throttle .
And , how would you ever expect to sneak up on anyone with a loud exhaust ? ;)
I like my Proma, till I was told Id start overheating without knitting it. It's off for now.
the city is cheap and easy for just adding 10% topend to an otherwise bone stock setup (maybe +1 jet size)
the speedy++ and a +1 or +2 upjet and higher flow airbox is my go-to ciao, bravo and grande pipe/combo for almost all my mild-kit or stock(ish) builds, its still really quiet but adds noticeably more torque via the long wide header and top speed improves by sayyyy about 20% on any combo of stock or mild kit carb/cylinder
BUT....that gianelli is even better than both of them... tons o' header for great lowend and gets even better top speed than a city or a speedy++ (more like 25%+ improvement with a good carb and upjet +2 or so) ... it is a bit louder though, not like circuit pipe loud, mind you, but its much more audibly obviously nnnnot stock at revs (edited)
I love my Giannelli pipe on my Si! I have that exact one and imported it from Italy before Treats sold them.
I did not want a circuit for my Si and ended up with this but the Giannelli Fire is a nice looking Circuit for Vepsa.
Here's my Si with it:
https://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?1,3657675,3657675#msg-3657675
Had a Tecno and it's quality was kind of crappy. (edited)
Tecno quality is not the best. But that price and the improvement to a stock-ish build is worth it. A+ from this MacFrugal.
Stock Grande pipe ftw!
the bravo version of thespeedy ++ isnt bad. but on a ciao you gotta lose the pedals.
i dont run pedals so not an issue for me
yeah thats some great info. the speedy plus sounds great for that stock look and sound but its hard to give up that lil' bit of extra from the giannelli.
maybe i'll grab the cheaper tecno for starters, see if it gets me where i need to be, and if not sell it and grab a giannelli. for 40 bucks its worth some 'spearmints
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> The vespa proma is so damn loud. It's almost painful to be around
It's like a chainsaw and a YZ80 had an angry love child. Rattles my fillings out of my teeeeeeth. Tting ta ting ting ting
If you're buying a Vespa Circuit pipe and it isn't the Gianelli Fire, you fucked up.
The gianelli the pipe all the Dutch dudes ride when they are trying to look legal. You can get surprisingly high rpms out of them
yeah that is my biggest concern, i'm going to be running either a TFR cylinder or a DR 50 kit and i've got the '20 mph' 13:1 or whatever gearset with an aftermarket variator.
torque is not a problem but i'm gonna have to get it up to like 9k to go 40. i've built some puch's with drilled stock pipes that just like rev and rev, don't make much torque but high rpm, thats kinda what i'm going for on this build.
ok, giannelli it is.
the heat sheild is cool too sorta, makes it look very OEM , nobody puts shit like that on aftermarket pipes. just doesn't really fit the ciao style
Can you wrap a performance pipe and then put on an oversized silencer and make any headway on decibels? Plus figure out an air intake that has highflow but silence ? Isn't going backwards to a stock exhaust give up all the resonance ie hitting the pipe? Yea I know that what ever Vespa creature is hitting 50 with basically no suspension is kinda punitive , I would think a master at your level would simply want a quiet 38-42 mph wonder. Show us how that happens.
following because I'm interested and my partner says she's tired of her grande w/ proma blowing out our neighbors' eardrums.
any experience on a stock-ish setup with the Gianelli fire? (edited)
Never run one of these on a vespa, but a stock magnum pipe is the shit.
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I;ve tried the Gianelli on stock US-spec stock Ciao, Euro Ciao PX stock, an Euro Grillo stock.
BEST pipe for a stock + vespa
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There's a huge difference in the stock-like Gianelli exhaust, and the Gianelli Fire. The fire is a circuit pipe, and will still be loud. I think this thread is more about the stock-ish exhausts, not circuit pipes.
Obviously they are different.
The dude asked about the Fire, so I responded. I've tried Fire's on all three of those bikes and they were super happy with them.
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Easy, fella. Wasn't tryin to aggravate you. I just wasn't sure if you were talking about the fire or the stocky one. You have good info. Just clarifying is all.
So is the desire for a quieter moped a derivative of the ebike phenomenon? Now I have 6 loud mopeds in my collection, so I do have standing in this discussion. But I also have a host of bikes including an off road Enduro e bike. I'm looking at the new lineup of Yamaha e bikes that will go 30 mph legally and are pedal.assist so I can still stay fit. . While I do love the antiquated 1960's two stroke technology, any semblance of utility and reliability is being steadily eroded by mopeds quiet cousins. No college kid is going to buy a two stroker to get around town with the endless mcivering they require. In fact I don't even believe even gasoline powered motorcycles have any real future. And yes I know this is going to be extremely poorly received by my fellow fanatics. Please don't shoot the messenger. Younger people in urban areas basically are no longer in love with internal combustion. Yes holdouts in the red States will persist. But for where the majority of innovation in the USA is , fossil fuel lost its shine. Attack away but please keep it clean.
I'll trade my moped for an E-bike the same day I turn in my guns for a taser.
But I like the sound of my quiet, stock Puch better than the sound of my Vespa with a Proma circuit.
I'm a red-tilted genX'er that doesn't give a rats ass about Millennials 'new truths'.
Get off my lawn!
I did a lawn job in my front yard with my Vespa; grass flyin! I live on 'Snob Hill'. Neighbors look at me funny now.
Caveat: an e-bike can be ridden on bike trails, and in bicycle lanes. That would be nice, quietly and effortlessly cruising along the river dyke bike path for miles.
I want a diesel moped. 50 mm exhaust, Black smoke Rollin.
See as I stated, the exceptions will be centered in the red regions of the USA. Seth reinforces my observations. He basically lives in a very rural area east of the the Cascades. Look I'm relaxing in an extremely red area of America in my RV pulled by my Ford f250. My favorite moment of late was a four way stop sign in woodland ,ca where all four directions had Ford trucks at each line. Not the sissy f150 s btw.
I give it five years before on road 2 strokers regardless of grandfathering are outlawed. It's inevitable.
Diesels will be out of all major European cities within five years. So yeah u can use one in the "red" countryside for a bit longer. The few two strokers scoots I saw in northern Italy will likewise be gone.
The first hydrogen powered trains are coming on line in Germany. I predict that BNSF will either go hydrogen fuel cell or outright electic from Barstow to Flagstaff in the five year time frame. That line is probably to most productive transport corridor in the USA.
I really don't have anything against technology, and I think that we should make all reasonable efforts to reduce our impact on the environment. That said, energy has a cost on the environment. It doesn't matter if it is "clean" energy or not. Recycling generally takes more energy, and causes more environmental impact than new production. That doesn't mean we shouldn't recycle. Producing Lithium batteries is not an environmentally friendly procedure either. Energy has a cost, always has. And we aren't going to go without it... Until it's gone.
> Seth B Wrote:
> There's a huge difference in the stock-like Gianelli exhaust, and the
> Gianelli Fire. The fire is a circuit pipe, and will still be loud. I
> think this thread is more about the stock-ish exhausts, not circuit
> pipes.
Fair point. I'm asking because the setup I'm referring to is an unported stock topend with a circuit pipe. The fire looks like it might be the right move.
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> See as I stated, the exceptions will be centered in the red regions of
> the USA. Seth reinforces my observations. He basically lives in a very
> rural area east of the the Cascades. Look I'm relaxing in an extremely
> red area of America in my RV pulled by my Ford f250. My favorite moment
> of late was a four way stop sign in woodland ,ca where all four
> directions had Ford trucks at each line. Not the sissy f150 s btw.
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> I give it five years before on road 2 strokers regardless of
> grandfathering are outlawed. It's inevitable.
I don't know that there are enough on-road two strokes registered to justify the creation of a law to ban them? I hope not! But I agree with you about electric bikes being the future, kids are baffled by my mopeds, they think it is cool until you tell them you have to work on it, then they are like "why would you bother?" , they get really bummed when they find out there is no usb charger unless you add it yourself...lol. All this said I would buy an electric scooter/no-ped thing when the range is acceptable to me and the cost comes down. no issues bringing them inside, simpler to work on etc...but will still ride my 2 strokes, banned or not! :)
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