Fastest Suzuki FA50? Hoping to hit 70mph

So I've been building what I call a ScooteRRockeT out of a 1981 Suzuki FA50. It has the same rake angle and wheelbase as a Honda RS125 track bike (and I may adapt RS125 bodywork to it one day). By my calculations I should be able to hit 70mph fully topped out. The list of mods is as follows:

FRAME MODS:

-Flipped forks in frame, removed gas/oil tank/battery pod, flipped frame upside down

-Modified engine pivot mount on frame to be upper monoshock mount

-Custom bracketry to connect frame to engine and also mount seat

-Gas/Oil tank/battery pod hung under frame in usual gas tank position behind steering stem

-Relocated ignition coil mount

-Custom linkage from center stand to bracketry to create central monoshock system with much more suspension travel than stock

-Flipped and shortened handlebars with all controls swapped L to R

ENGINE MODS:

-Cast Iron 60cc kit decked 1.5mm (milled off the top)

-5 base gaskets to fully expose all ports at BDC

-Cylinder head milled flush with cooling fins for higher compression

-No head gasket

-FZ50 downdraft intake welded to FA50 reed flange

-Inserted Y in oil feed line to feed oil both into the downdraft intake from the FZ50 and also directly to the right side engine bearing on the FA50 cases

-Boyeson FA50 dual stage power reeds

-FZ50 14mm Mikuni VM round slide carb up-jetted to account for big bore kit and pipe

-MLM FA50 techno EDM circuit pipe

-FZ50 crankshaft (the woodruff key location for the primary clutch is different from the FA50 crank. Running the FZ50 primary clutch was the only reason for this swap)

TRANSMISSION MODS:

-FZ50 primary clutch with Malossi red springs

-FZ50 secondary shaft with one-way bearing and 2speed clutch

-FZ50 longer kickstart shaft

-KEPT FA50 FINAL DRIVE GEAR (24:56 instead of FZ50 17:62)

-FZ50 transmission cover

-1" taller 2.75-14 tires instead of the stock 2.25-14s

-EBC grooved brake shoes

According to the Moped Wiki here on the FZ50 it is capable of reaching 40mph with a stock tire size and the engine mods that I have done. Using the FA50 final drive gears and installing the taller 2.75-14 tire gives a 1.75x gearing advantage which is how I am calculating a top speed of 70mph.

Here is a pic from a couple years ago when I was just starting the project and getting a feel for the idea. More pics to come as the project nears completion. Thanks for looking!

-InventorBrent

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Re: Fastest Suzuki FA50? Hoping to hit 70mph

Mikey Antonakakis /

You will probably want a bit bigger carb for 70mph, for starters. What's your porting plan?

Top speed requires more than just a gear ratio change, it requires an increase in power as well. 70mph is definitely well over 10hp... And increasing from 40mph to 70mph requires over 400% increase in power...

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Dirty30 Dillon /

The FA/FZ platform does not support the power required to pull 70mph.

I truly commend the amount of swapping and cool stuff you've done. But despite sharing measurements with an RS125, it lacks any of the structural or chassis strengths of a real bike. It would have been really cool to see this upgraded drivetrain on a stok FA50, which is one of my cherished favs.

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JK, looks like you've done a lot of work so far and research into the Suzuki noped platform. Having built 2 70mph mopeds I can tell you that you've got your work cut out for you.

Got any better pictures of the rear suspension? What are you planning on running for an exhaust and ignition?

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We need some recent pics and details . Please (edited)

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I saw the picture and my brain caught a couple words. Thought you were hit by something going 70mph. Good luck and don’t get dead.

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HEY EVERYONE HERE'S MY NEW BIKE. SAME RAKE AND WHEELBASE AS A PANIGALE.

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but where are the squirrel pics?

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I would like to see an updated photo. I like the idea of the aesthetic, but my testicles are horrified.

Nice work on the engine, but I don't think 70 is realistic, good luck!

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I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing... but I'd like to know what 4 things are sending out alarm bells to you

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It's funny you post that pic because I actually did invent a flying car lol

It's called HoverCar:

I'll try to get some better pics of the suspension for you. Ignition is stock but I may advance the timing if I need to. For exhaust I'm purchasing an MLM circuit EDM pipe/silencer

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Details are in the first post. New pics to come soon

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Porting plan was listed in the specs in the first post but I'll list them again for you:

-5 base gaskets to full expose all ports at BDC (40% increase in port size)

-1.5mm decked off the top of the cast iron 60cc cylinder to maintain squish band and compression

-Downdraft intake from FZ50 welded to FA50 reed flange

-Also milled the head flush with the cooling fins for increased compression and therefore power

For the carb as I said I will be running the 14mm Mikuni VM round slide carb up-jetted. If it needs more fuel to make the power required to hit 70mph I can always 'borrow' the carb from my Aprilia RS50

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I'm hoping to make enough power to at least hit 60, but obviously 70 is the goal so I'll do what I need to to get there. And I'm well aware that the stamped/welded FA frame has nowhere near the structural integrity of the RS125, however, I though it would be pretty badass to have a full fairing 70mph moped ;)

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I wasn't hit by anything traveling 70mph but unfortunately I did wreck on my Aprilia RS50 this past summer. Front tire blew while I was going 60-70mph, pitched me to the ground, and I slid into a curb. Broke 9 bones and have had 9 surgeries so far, with a 10th still needed. Have 2 large skin grafts on my left leg and a bunch of surgery scars.

Nobody wants to let me ride again after all the trauma I went through but I have recovered almost 100% and still desire to ride

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Pretty funny

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Sorry, no squirrel pics :(

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I'll get some updated pics up soon! Thanks!

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you should invent flat view

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Mikey Antonakakis /

If you aren't planning to spin higher revs, you need like 4x more torque to go from 40 to 70, meaning 4x more air going into the cylinder each stroke. Increasing port height by 1.5mm likely will not be enough. Do you have any pics of the cylinder, its port layout, etc?

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> Brent Saxsma Wrote:

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> I wasn't hit by anything traveling 70mph but unfortunately I did wreck

> on my Aprilia RS50 this past summer. Front tire blew while I was going

> 60-70mph, pitched me to the ground, and I slid into a curb. Broke 9

> bones and have had 9 surgeries so far, with a 10th still needed. Have 2

> large skin grafts on my left leg and a bunch of surgery scars.

how the fuck did that happen?

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Front tire was the original Pirelli MT75 from 1999. It didn't have any dry rot and wasn't worn down enough to be through the tread or to the cords, but for some reason it blew and pitched me to the ground. Sucks because now I can't ride again or my girlfriend will leave me and parents disown me :(

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> Graham Motzing Wrote:

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> you should invent flat view

Haha thanks for the tip. Forum looks a lot more normal now lol

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That flat view though......

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> jayson sumpter Wrote:

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> That flat view though......

Yeah, makes my 9 posts in a row look pretty n00b-ish. You wouldn't know I was on a forum for like 5 years, although that was like 5-10 years ago

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Joe Schuitema /

Have you looked into how to slow down from 70mph?

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> Joe Schuitema Wrote:

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> Have you looked into how to slow down from 70mph?

Sounds like he learned to stop pretty abruptly

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> Brent Saxsma Wrote:

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> Front tire was the original Pirelli MT75 from 1999. It didn't have any

> dry rot and wasn't worn down enough to be through the tread or to the

> cords, but for some reason it blew and pitched me to the ground. Sucks

> because now I can't ride again or my girlfriend will leave me and

> parents disown me :(

Now you know what's meant by time degradation .

Looks are only skin deep .

Not to mention you pushed that tire to speeds of twice what it was designed for .

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Jack Rutherford /
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