Rattle noise from piston...loss of power?

There is a weird noise coming from my piston head at lower rpm. It's like a metallic clangy sound..and it is worrying me. I just put a 70cc kit on the thing (it's a Tomos A3 Silverbullet), and I have rode on it pretty far to break it in somewhat with no issues. Today it started to make that noise as well as when I reach around 25mph it doesn't want to accelerate past that speed, unless I feather the throttle a bit. Then I am able to reach 40+. Any thoughts? Thanks

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head gasket?

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Did you upjet?

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No I down jet

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I bet you do.

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Gear box chatter? Or Ring Ring Bang!

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Anyone have a legit answer to this problem?

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Probably Fred /

Not tuned/jetted correctly and or installed correctly, put back to stock for you don’t know what your doin,

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Could be rings snagging the ports, did you camfer?

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> Mateo Beau Wrote:

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> Anyone have a legit answer to this problem?

The only legit answer will be found when you tear the top end apart .

You're asking a doctor a thousand miles away to fix you up over the phone with just your voice to diagnose .

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Dave Thacker /

Is the piston hitting the head? Take it off and look. You need to measure and set the squish. You do this by making a piece of solder that reaches across the top of the piston and abuts the cyl wall. You do this in 2 places opposite the wrist pin. You hand turn the the piston up crushing the solder. Measure the solder. I don't know what your engine should be but I bet it needs to be 15 thou or so. When the engine is running the piston goes higher due to bearing clearance, rod stretch and lengthening of the piston because it's aluminum and hotter than the cly. You need clearance for all these things so the piston never touches the head. A proper squish band is a real horse power maker. More complex and not an answer for this question

The looser a piston fits, the more the piston rocks in the stroke. The more it rocks the less well the ring fits flat to the cylinder wall. As it rocks, it needs to be not-round to contact everywhere. So a rocking piston reduces compression.

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the og thread is 3years old. looking back he said he added a kit to an a3, most likely his small end bushing couldn't take the rpms and gave out.

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Youre absolutely right. Took everything apart and found the piston rings were degraded at the point where they join, and the piston at this point was deeply pitted almost as if the metal had vaporized, also leaving deep scratches inside the cylinder wall. This is probably why I could never rev up and at high revs had no power and what actually sounded like a combination between pinging and sparking sounds. When I initially installed the 70cc kit I broke the piston ring and use the ring from another similarly sized piston, and this is what you get when you take these shortcuts lol appreciate your responses!

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This actually probably caused the problem to begin with, glad I saw this post, ill be sure to camfer the rings on the next kit I install, Thanks so much

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When you took it apart were the head nuts loose?

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no they were torqued down pretty good. The ring was fuzed to the piston and a chunk was missing at the junction, I can take a pic later if you want

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Yes we all live for carnage.

But sorry for your loss. (edited)

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Enjoy the carnage lol

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dang, even got hot enough to melt the intake pin side,ohhh

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Well taking a ring off anything and fitting it was a cheap thing to do .. that’s cost you a rebore a piston set of rings and maybe a big end bearing in the next 500 miles ..

that’s if it’s a kit that can be bored ..

Sorry ..

your new at two strokes ,, that’s fine I took my $$$$ lumps on 250RDs back in the 70s boy did I do just the same thing ..

After 3 cranks 4 sets of pistons and lots of time pushing a 400 pound bike miles ... and spending more than a weeks pay for just pistons and rings 4 times ... and owing my dad money for a year for cranks ..

I got a dam car :) ....

Never put old rings on :)

Well unless it’s for sale AS IS :)

I got one of these after that

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I know the post is old but was the pin gone or still in the piston? It's hard to tell with all the damage BUT since the ring is still pretty much where it should be it seems to have snagged a port like stated above by pat splat :) Dang

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Dirty30 Dillon /

I'd guess that ring wear opened the gap into the boost port.

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Is that a Ford Capri? They had them in the states?

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Pin was still there

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Ok I hate to be back here again but trying to prevent similar issues lol I got a new kit chamfered the ring and rejetted and dialed in timing. Ended up needing a new clutch as well. the kit probably has 200 miles on it and ive been running it a bit rich the entire time while breaking in. It runs really well now, decent takeoff and great acceleration, hits 46 with 16/45 gearing...but i still hear this sparking sound that is hard to describe. it kinda sounds like if youve ever sparked two wires together but a bit lower pitched. It only happens when under heavy load like going up a large hill or at WOT, but its a way less severe, less frequent sound than before and doesnt come with any performance loss. I took everything apart today to look in the cylinder for markings, look at the piston and ring and they were all clean and clear, any idea what is going on? Is this just normal?

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Probably Fred /

> Mateo Beau Wrote:

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> Ok I hate to be back here again but trying to prevent similar issues lol

> I got a new kit chamfered the ring and rejetted and dialed in timing.

> Ended up needing a new clutch as well. the kit probably has 200 miles on

> it and ive been running it a bit rich the entire time while breaking in.

> It runs really well now, decent takeoff and great acceleration, hits 46

> with 16/45 gearing...but i still hear this sparking sound that is hard

> to describe. it kinda sounds like if youve ever sparked two wires

> together but a bit lower pitched. It only happens when under heavy load

> like going up a large hill or at WOT, but its a way less severe, less

> frequent sound than before and doesnt come with any performance loss. I

> took everything apart today to look in the cylinder for markings, look

> at the piston and ring and they were all clean and clear, any idea what

> is going on? Is this just normal?

Better get a head temperature gauge because it may be overheating

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Did you gap your Piston rings?

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Dirty30 Dillon /

What your describing sounds like detonation, aka lean condition and hot timing

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Interesting, adding some octane booster has gotten rid of it, thanks. I already use high octane non ethanol stuff so maybe ill try a colder plug, right now using an NGK B7HS ill try a B8HS, really appreciate all the responses ive learned so much

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Dirty30 Dillon /

You should check your timing and make sure you have no airleaks. Octane Booster's just a bandaid.

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