odd ways of gauging performance...

i have a ramp that leads to my porch. its 5 stairs i think. i park my bikes up there and usually use it to start non-tomi bikes. i also ride my bike right up the ramp when i get home.

stock bikes usually require a big push and you gotta swing your legs up to "just" make it. my kitted tomos goes up it pretty good. still needs a little push from the bottom. my new derbi goes right up that shit. no push. no catching yourself at the top. you gotta slam on the brakes even. my derbi performs. midrange monster.

just like something you do often and when you do it on a new bike, or new tuning, you can use it as a baseline kinda. like "i usually get to _mph on this street, how am i doing?" u know?

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Probably Fred /

Ya that's a neat way,

I go a bit further when I'm dialing in a bike I take it on a 10 mile loop that has Hills, hi speed straightaways and twisties.

I know the speed of most kits/bikes that I work on going up and downhills, hi speed straights, hot days, colds days, windy days north wind/south wind etc.

by heart, it's not hard considering I lived here for 25 years.

For example the other day I pulled out of my development on a polini kitted za50 magnum for a test tun that I took the head off to inspect and decarbonize (even though it wasn't bad), I make a left, nail it and as soon as I pass the first 35 mph (maybe three hundred feet) sign I hit 40 as it shifts into 2nd when I go past it, That's par for the course so I know I put it back/reassembled it right.

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When I spin the rear up powering out of an intersection turn, or when the front end gets light if I try to quickly hack the throttle and get around someone. That's when I know what I've built has done what I set out to do, and that I didn't need to go that far. It's hard to see the until you've passed it, it seems.

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TIM's DYNO ramp...

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I compare my bikes by how fast i can get going in one block before having to hit the brakes. So, its not only a test of speed but also of brakes. Torque i test by riding up the hill from my street to my alley, and seeing how fast i can get going from full stop up a steep hill.

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Brandon Weiss (Detective brandon to you) /

I just gauge performance on how much my smile widens as the throttle opens.

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Brandon Weiss (aka B-Man) Wrote:

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> I just gauge performance on how much my smile

> widens as the throttle opens.

This.

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grim ripper /

if you live in savannah, going uptown on any main road you will cross henry and anderson streets. both have stoplights and they are 1 block apart. at night they are set so the far one turns green before the one you're stopped at. i fucking refuse to stop twice, so i lead it and run yellows all day. sometimes if i get stuck in the middle, i'll alley it over a block and cheat that shit.

well anyway, a bike that can stop at that first light, then wait till it turns green, and make it through the next one before it turns yellow has good accel and at least goes 40.

i don't like wearing my temp gauge out. i get the bike close to what i think is good, then test it with the gauge. i got a good wide open max speed test lap that's about 1/2 mile of slight down hill, then right back up it. i can usually get as hot as i'm gonna on that run. then i put the gauge away so i don't wreck it again...

the next test is tybee island. you pretty much run wide open for half an hour. 3 bridges, turtle x-ing signs, and a couple miles of 1 lane road w/ 50mph limit, so you kinda gotta go fast so as not to be a shithead. then you go swimming! if you make it back, congratulations! you've built a pretty good moped!

the first time i rode all the way to the beach and back was on my first kit ever. it went pretty good. by the time i got back, my bike was going all slow and i thought i killed it. i took it all apart. checked the piston first. kit was fine. rear tire was rubbing swingarm. bahhh! tuning was spot on. didn't even get too hot buring up all that rubber.

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I have a specific route I use to gauge overall performance, due to several start-stops, followed by several straight sections, followed by a specific hill climb that gives a Very useful indication of a bike's torque curve when heat soaked.

That last bit is really important, if you're gonna do any sort of everyday riding without having to choose crap routes because you can't pull a particular grade past 15 MPH. I really consider usable torque much more important than absolute top speed for mopeds.

It's a more relevant factor for everyday riding than top speed is, in any case. It's one of the reason I love my reed valved Hero kits. Torque 4 days.

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I snap it WOT and then listen to what my buttcheeks have to say about it.

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grim ripper /

quick 45 mph > waiting for it to spool up to.....

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Usually how quick it makes the poontang gush.

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If I can make it up the hill at the community center in town the bike is doing quite well

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♣Slew Foot♣ /

I have a three teir hillclimb route if it can stay in 1rst gear it's a pass.

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Matt Mahloch -- MBM Customs /

Take off from a stop at a couple select hills. How much speed is lost on a couple select hills. WOT on the flat top speed.

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anyone try any smartphone/gps tuner stuff?

i've used that in my car before, along with an OBD2 bluetooth dongler, but never played with some of the options for just speed based.

i think zero-to-whatever time would be very useful around here for comparing setups, like... i don't care that your bike can do 60 down a long downhill, i want to see 0-40 or 0-50 or whatever your bike can do... a GPS app that can factor in elevation would be useful too.

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Graham Motzing Wrote:

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> i think zero-to-whatever time would be very useful

> around here for comparing setups, like... i don't

> care that your bike can do 60 down a long

> downhill, i want to see 0-40 or 0-50 or whatever

> your bike can do... a GPS app that can factor in

> elevation would be useful too.

Yes I like this idea. Rider weight, elevation, temp, and wind would all be good data. Then get your 0-50 time by recording the run and using the video to get the time.

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Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" /

GPS speed, elevation, and i think one of the display modes displays the time with seconds.

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tuning variator I used to timer myself from a dead stop from one road sign by our old shop, to another road sign about 100 yards, hip a lap timer and then get a final stop the timer at another sign that was ~1/8 mile. just to be consistent. I'd also GPS a top speed and make sure to start braking or at least let off throttle at the sign

so then you got a 1/8 mile time, and it was about halfway so you got 2 points to gauge acceleration and a max speed at a consistent distance. then do whatever you can in there to make it faster, roll on the throttle or whatever worked best and see what gave you best times, I mean as long as your metric is consistent - its good.

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I often think about those bicycle trainer resistance motors. you could spin a motor or alternator or whatever and just measure output and correlate it to some kinda power output - like a super DIY dyno, but there's no realy reason it wouldn't work. track your own RPM if you want I guess, or just pay attention to peak output and go from that.

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