what porting tools to use,port advice honda pa50

Hi I have done some porting before but am looking for advice on tools and actual porting of my honda pa50 cylinder. When it comes to porting these it looks like you need a very small 90 degree or 45 degree dental type high speed port tool. I have a big straight air die grinder[1/8" collet] and a much smaller straight high speed air dental die grinder[1/16" type collet] but both of these don't look to do much good anywhere but in the exhaust port and maybe some of the sides of the transfers. Could anyone give me a tool that will work better to increase the port window size in these very small cylinders? I should say I also have all the measuring tools and even some of the special small bent files and carbides and die grinder rolls and other stuff needed. Next I was hoping for some opions on my porting idea. I was going to buy a replacement 70cc pistion and pin from one of the 70cc kits and bore and hone my stock cylinder out to fit that piston and basicly port the port sizes to what's listed in the wiki for the high performance p4 honda port size. I'd probley also have to do some head work. Thanks Tim

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I port with rifflers mostly as there are not that many small diameter long shaft die grinding tips. For transfers you can open up the window side and then attack the port side through the port from below. Take your time and it is not so difficult, if you are in a hurry to get done some of the mistakes take longer to correct if they are indeed correctable.

Boring a stock bore to such a big oversize might be a bit of a hassle, you could run into some casting voids or deviate and have too thin of a wall as well as a untrue bore, not many shops have a boring bar that small so they would be cutting it open ended.

Re: what porting tools to use,port advice honda pa

sandpaper glued to my fingers and files. No reason for power tools. What you want make a mess awesome!

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Dick Tortuga /

I use a Roto Zip with a flexible shaft extension. Very controllable as it is electric so you can vary speed consistantly. Big improvement over Dremel. Still need a lot of mano y mano, though. For polishing I use various grades steel wool and I have a small diameter shaft with a slot in the end like a sewing needle. I stick the end of a piece of sandpaper in the slot and wrap it around the shaft. It flaps and adjusts to the shape I'm working.

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#CrazyWayne™ rocks. #CrazyWayne /

Get a mill and spend $3,000 on jig's & bit's

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Hi by rifflers do you mean the small s shaped bent files? I have them,they are pretty fine for files and would take a while to do any amount of cutting. I tend to use them more for cleaning up sharp port edges. I've been thinking about cutting some small pieces off of my courser files and welding a angled handle on it. I also thought about buying a 90 degree adaptor for a dremel. They sell for about 35.00, they are small and would fit in a moped cylinder. I don't want to put too much into the tool, then I might as well buy a kit instead. Yes I didn't know if I could bring a stock cylinder out very big. That was one reason I was looking for advice. Thanks Tim

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you can't bore the stock cylinder that big

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A carbide cutting tool for a dremel is what i use. It goes right through aluminum and doesn't clog up as bad as a grinding stone would with aluminum. Still have to stop and clean it every now and then, but works the best. You can get it at sears, or any place that sells dremel parts.

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Dick Tortuga /

oh, yea, forgot to mention bits. McMaster-Carr has a huge selection of carbide single and double-cut bits in various shapes and lengths. The single cuts work best for me in aluminum as they don't clog AS OFTEN. I went all out a couple years ago and bought the multi=piece selection in the neat walnut box. Drilled some extra holes in the box and keep ALL my bits there...

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