MOPED ARMY

not terribly loud is usually not used in the same sentence as kit and proma.

oh, i've repacked a few times now, it helps for a few weeks, i think i just got used to riding the 50cc hobbit all summer.

Proma = fast = loud

Cripes, it looks like everyone in New England is getting a hobbit!

Like everyone else said, proma (yeah, pretty loud), Kit (I can only attest to the DR, so that's what I'd recommended), reeds, and pa50-I weights. Your acceleration would also benefit from some new clutch springs. you can get dio springs off ebay for cheap (I've got 1500, they work well for me).

Don't mess with modding your variator if you're not looking for top speed. It can be hit or miss. I kept my variator stock all summer. I topped out at ~40, but my acceleration was insane, and It kept my revs low (reliability).

notch yer variator. easy peazy.

Those were my exact goals and this is what I came up with.

It has a DR kit, dual stage reeds, 1.5k+ springs, notched variator, PA50 I weights,carb bored out to about 13mm and a Jamaracol circuit exhaust.

If I were to redo it the only thing I would change would be to go with carbon fiber reeds vs the dual stagers.

If noise is an issue then you DO NOT want a Proma circuit. They haul ass but they are LOUD! I have tried swapping baffles to try and quiet it down and it only helped slightly. Most of the noise comes from the sound waves cracking up against the front section of the thin metal of the chamber.

There is no way to quiet it down that I know of and I tried a lot of stuff. The only MILD success I had was wrapping the whole thing in header tape like several layers, laying down a thin layer of fiber glass, then wrapping it again. It ends up looking like shit, as if a mummified cat is taped under your bike but it did lower the volume.

I don't have any exp. with the rev run or L/V or weak ends but I can't imagine they would be as loud as the proma.

I suspect the rev/run might be the best on a quietness level but I can't tell you for sure.

I had that pipe back in the day.. I hate it.

There many pipes out there I just thought that was for 50cc cylinder imo.

remember its a vario you can tune it .. to have .. the powerrange.. from take off to wot. dual varios

The secret to packing the silencer is, to pack it very lightly (use very little packing, and keep the packing very loose). Cut the sheet to length, and wrap around the center section 1 1/2 times. Too much and too tight= too loud. I get about 30 hours per packing.

I mean, this one

https://www.1977mopeds.com/product/3005/Honda-EV-Exhaust--Red-Canister/

Seriously...don't waste your time on messing with your carb. Leave it 12mm. There's bikes getting 55mph out of the stock 12mm carb.

Yeah I didn't mean rev run I meant the EV thing with the different colored cans.

Like i said I am totally talking out of my ass on that pipe being nice as I have never owned one.

What I can tell you is the Proma is not the pipe for you if sound is an issue.

As for the Jamaracol non-circuit little black and gray thing I really liked mine.

It was on a kitted express and I think the reason I liked it so much is because it was better than stock and at the time the only option I had to fit an NC50 express.

Better than stock, yes. Loud, not really. Not a great pipe but its OK.

I have owned a couple different Jamaracol pipes and they are all pretty much the same pipes with different headers.

They are ok. Slightly better than stock and sound like a loud popcorn maker.

And don't get the dual stage reeds.

Get some carbon fiber ones OR if you want to go cheaper just buy a sheet of reed material and cut your own.

My next Hobbit build I am for sure making my own reeds and making the intake bigger and all that.

As for carb boring it isn't necessary but every little bit helps. definitely let me rev a little higher and thats the name of the game in Hobbit town.

If you don't have a spare carb or two probably just go ahead and stay stock. I managed to fuck up a carb before I got it right.

PA50 I carbs are good for this. Pretty much the same carb but with a smaller venturi. They can be had cheap and if you trash it no biggy.

Yeah its a damn shame you can't get PA50 I weights anymore.

Or Pa50 II weights for that matter.

I have had to make my own roller caps.

Those are really the only things that get messed up on a well maintained Hobbit.

Also its important to go ahead and do exploratory surgery on your rear pulley. Just clean it up and regrease it and smooth out an nasty edges.

Do you know the respective weight of the weights for PA50 and PA50ii?

there seems to be a boatload of aftermarket weights which are not too expensive, but I don't know which ones would most closely resemble PA50 weights.

I think I'm going to try the jammy pipe. It's like $50 with the treats sale.

I'm sure the expensive ones perform better, but I can't deal with the noise, and neither can my neighbors and tenants.

A tad better than stock will be just fine.

The dual stage reeds sound great. Do you think my setup will not have enough pull to really activate the heavier one properly?

Why do you think you would prefer the carbon fiber ones?

Seth, With the treats sale the kit new in box is less than $105 So I think I would prefer to just order everything together from there.

treats has the moped factory weights in stock.