pedal gearing

Take it to the Maxi /

Hey pals,

I'm thinking about how hard it is to pedal to the gas station, and that makes me want to put gearing on my rear pedal sprocket.

Has anyone done this?

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I have done this, but there is a bit of work involved.

I am using a 5 speed IRD freewheel. To get it to work I did the following:

1. Widen the swingarm 1/2" at the dropouts.

2. Fabricate new shock mounts so the shocks are in the original position.

3. Have new spacers made to center the wheel (20mm wide and 7mm wide I think)

4. Carve a bit of material off the top of the swingarm for chain clearance.

5. Reinforce the inside of the swingarm.

6. Mounted a Shimano friction shifter to a Paul Thumbies adapter.

7. Weld on a derailleur hanger to the dropout or as I did, weld on a 3/16" piece of steel then drill and tap it for 10mm x 1mm threads.

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holy fucking awesome!

what wheels (rims) are those?

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The wheels are built with Alex DX32 BMX rims (light and extremely strong), and 16 x 2.25 Sava MC2 tires (OEM Tomos). The rear wheel was built by the "Wheelmaster" in Auburn, Washington using 9 ga spokes and a Puch hub. I built the front wheel using a Shimano disc brake hub and 14 ga spokes.

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Take it to the Maxi /

wow. just wow, that looks awesome, I might be too lazy for that.

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I bolted on a larger sprocket to my original and found a small freewheel for the rear. It's totally ghetto compared to a derailleur.

If you don't have much experience with older/shittier 10 speeds, there are some freewheels that will just spin on to where the 1 speed freewheel used to be... Just work a lot more to make it that nice.

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just get a 16t bmx freewheel

pedal gearing

Looks awesome! How well does it work?

Someone needs to do that for the engine side :D

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BootyClap Ninja /

lol Shimano XTR derailleur too. holy crap.

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haha nice! you were telling me about this during the Kitty ride a few weeks ago.

so whats the verdict... how fast can you pedal that thing?

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did you just drill out that stock pedal to bolt up a different front sprocket?

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The 5 speed freewheel works very well. I use the large cog to start the engine and drop to the smallest cog after its running. I can pedal-assist up to 20 mph.

The front sprocket is a Salsa 32 tooth aluminum mountain bike chainring. I attached it with #8 allen screws tapped into the original sprocket. I have also done the larger chainring mod using a steel bicycle chainring welded to an original sprocket.

The larger front chainring / smaller freewheel combination is an effective and inexpensive method to improve acceleration. The 5 speed freewheel just takes it to the extreme.

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thats so fucking sick! i was wondering if anyone had ever done this... i'd love to do that to one of my peds.

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i put a 15th freewheel in replace of the 22th or whatever came stock, but honestly... with the weight of the bike and the engine, it doesn't make too much of a difference, pedaling still sucks.

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Wow that is hella gnar man.

No fixies in moped world?

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Charles Cole (OFMC) /

How about a few more (a lot more) pix of the ped!

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"No fixies in moped world?"

There probably are some built every once in a while, but the people

who do so don't live long enough to come back and post about

them.

Mark's five-speed setup is sick, but - for what you're trying to do -

it will be WAY simpler just to gear down (with a BMX freewheel).

This will make it so that you can pedal your bike at a reasonable

speed (the stock gearing on a moped is way low), but won't

affect chainline or swingarm spacing. The downside is that this

will make your bike a little harder to start - you'll effectively

have to bump-start it with a slight pedal assist.

Switches, though, seem to invariably start their bikes by crab-

walking them even though they have perfectly-functional pedals.

I think that's easier on a Derbi (which is geared a little higher),

so everyone just got into the habit while this was the Derbis-

only branch.

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Would it be possible to put a derauiler on the engine drive side? Anyone done it?

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that question gets asked very frequently, and no, nobody does it because its fucking stupid and would fail immediately.

motorcycles have enclosed transmissions for a reason.

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Why do you think it would fail? Finding a deruailer that would fit the bigger chain might be hard (or it might not exist), but bicycles accelerate almost as fast as a stock moped and can get to about the same speed - I don't see why it would fail.

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Its an external gear, it wasnt designed for that load. Nash said it right, the build them in the tranny for a reason. Having a transmission at the rear hub is only intelligent when you have room for it and there is some sort of oil/support system. I also dont want a chain derailing right next to my leg.

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how cool would it be to put a derailleur system on the engine driven side! always wanted to do it, someday... think about it though, a moped with more than 2 gears?!! Somebody please do this!

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people have done this with cheap chinese bike kits, i think it could totally work on a moped. AND WHAT?!!

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A derailleur system for the motor side would be a disaster. You'll notice that multi speed bicycles run very narrow chains to allow this sort of setup to work. If you had a moped sized chain the gear cluster would have to be be so wide that it would be impractical. It would be easier to just install a variator.

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if no one else will do it I guess I will! People do some crazy things and sometimes they work?!

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yo a-ko get ready to be blown away!!! and what?!

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OP brought about a good question but Wow, can you tell us a bit more about how you built ped wheels with bmx components?

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