serously?
i thought my estoril was good
and then i rode other pipes and was blown away, literally
i think its' the most overrated pipe on all of moped army.
who has tried an estoril pipe and been let down?
serously?
i thought my estoril was good
and then i rode other pipes and was blown away, literally
i think its' the most overrated pipe on all of moped army.
who has tried an estoril pipe and been let down?
i love mt estroil, ofcorse only after it has been modded a couple times....
very over rated!
If you're after top speed it isn't a wise choice...bottom end rips better than most.
And if you are a crappy tuner the pipe will never allow you to blow your cylinder up
yeah it definitely caps on the top. i dunno. is a good pipe a top end pipe? for a non circuit pipe its the best mid range pipe out there.
..But is it worth the extra $20 over a Tecno Circuit for the midrange (and pedal complications)?
I think you should find a ride for me and ped on Friday!! :D
did you deristrict it?
reweld. circuits are better at their job. estorils kinda confuse me. but ive been lazy in trying to understand pipe dynamics beyond the basics.
single speed bikes you have to pick a "type" is it:
a low end dominator that caps on the top and is a blast to ride for 10 seconds after takeoff.
a beatable low ender that blasts by you quickly in the mid and gets beaten at the top. but in town you dominate those waiting for their pipe to hit...
an alright cause you can tune a clutch low ender who gets beaten barely in the mid but is the ultimate blaster provided the light doesnt turn red
single speeds- this is your life.
I prefer a crazy high-revving port map, and just re-gear according to conditions..
Tight in go-kart track? Gear way down for off the line, slow corner domination
Going to the shops in the city? Gear in the middle for traffic-killing torque
Country blast? Gear way up and blast a cheetah.
You guys are tripping...run with del and any weenie kit. de-restrict it, and tune your clutch= take off basically in your powerband and shoot up to 50. What's not to like? I'm not the type of guy that wants to wait till I hit 40-45 for the powerband to hit so I can rev out acouple mph more.
^Does 15+ mph count as "acouple mph more"?
Because when my 6p hits at 40, that's about how much it gives me.
i will say. i loved my variated minarelli for a long while..ripping around cars, beating cars off the line over and over again.. until i came upon a vespa simonini on an 80 metra. hitting a pipe HARD at high speeds, and having it shoot you even faster totally creates a rush unlike most low and mid pipes could ever produce. it was/is a drug.
That's really cool, I like riding bikes like that, I guess its just more of a preference for daily riding.
I hate lagging up hills and cars getting frustrated and blasting past me.
you can take an estoril to the canyons and curvies and have a blast, or ride around in town and not piss off cars, even on the "fast" roads.
Obviously they are different applications, but estoril is good, if you're looking for what it has to offer. :)
this is why i like my three bike rule, cause i can produce a bike for every type of riding. my top end puch, my mid minarelli, my low/mid end hobbit.
dude i dunno i think the circuit blasts the estoril in every aspect. i'm never getting another estoril
It IS a great pipe for low end and mid range rocket power. Not a good top end pipe.
Compare the take off and mid from an Estoril with a Boss and let me know your thoughts...
"Because when my 6p hits at 40, that
on my minarelli the boss was a good 4mph faster than my estoril. its hard to say the mid differences cause the variator just guaranteed decent low and mid.
The thing with the estoril over circuit is that with modifications, the can still rev super high. A few bikes I've seen:
Alex's Arciero: a stock A35 cylinder ported to hell by shaw. 65mph seen it.
Black widow Pat's Maxi: Metra 80 setup claims close to 70.
Woolly bully Jose's old setup: mk65 setup hit 60mph
all of these ran estorils. And even the stock cylinder started to blast off at 25ish. seen peeps blast off with this pipe, and keep on revving.
over rated compared to what is what u have to ask youself
The pipe needs a good cleaning up internally. I've heavily modified one and seems to be no issues with it winding out and still has that nice mid that they are known for, I've tried a 6p on the same setup and kinda thought it sucked especially in a city with lots of hills. I've also tried a boss with the same motor, though it has a decently broad power band but is rather light on the pull, still a decent pipe though. Many things factor in to a good pipe choice and what works for one person might not work best for the next, depending on tuning style, rider weight, terrain, etc.
I think with pipes especially there is a "greener grass" effect.
If you are used to a high rpm top ender and hop on someones circuit torquer, since you are starved for acceleration you think its the coolest shit ever.
If you are used to burning off the line and hitting a wall, you lust for those extra MPHs, so when you hop on tall geared straight away high rpm blaster you think its the bees knees.
Mark hit the nail on the head, its all about having options.
I have never been an estoril fan really. They have their applications where they are amazing (50 tccd, this is the only pipe that works), then many where they suck.
Tracy, the arciero and pat's maxi do not have regular estorils, both are heavily modded pipes, but both those bikes do rip.
I prefer the circuit for low/mid-range. It caps at about the same point, but it seems to hit harder and can still do decent speeds if geared tall. I've run basically every pipe on my za50 polini, and I think the proma circuit with 20/36 gearing is the most fun. Its as quick as almost any puch off the line, hits hard up to about 30ish, shifts right into the pipe then pulls to 45 or so. The gearing allows it to eventually wind out to 50-55 which is super unnecessary, but good for the long rides as it isn't reving crazy high and feels safe. A n8p on the other hand lags lags lags, but pulls hard on the top of each gear and is really quite fun. 65+ is great but is rarely practical.
That said, the proma sucks on a maxi cause it scrapes in the turns. The estoril is butt-ugly. The only time one worked well for me was when I leaned out really bad on a cold night and it went super fast, but thats dangerous.
i just got in a simonini carbon fiber pipe....i have the puch estroil(i like it)... only cuts made to it were to reangle it for an alukit(which took a little header length off)...i now have a 70cc tomos parmakit...my estroil revs pretty freakn high..i know it'll be apples and oranges but i'm interested in the differences....13x36 gearing..i know i'm in the mid fifties now...but i'll get a gps on them both soon...
Zack- yeah definately understand that those were modified, I think the arciero's is even mounted upside down or something like that. Just demonstrating that It doesn't have to "suck" at revving out with some work.
Seems to be paired well with "brute force" metra type cylinders and taller gearing.
One of the best things about the estoril is the sound. They provide good performance on an otherwise stock tomos, yet have a nice mellow sound that doesn't attract too much attention. If you want the best performance get a pipe that is built for your particular engine.
Great, after looking and looking and finally finding , ordering and recieving my estoril today, I find this critique and about 20 different opinions. figures.
Well, we'll see. I'm a low-ender myself due to the driving conditions I'm usually up against (lights, small hills and more lights) Jumping off the line is exactly what I need, not top end, although that would be nice.
Still good to hear some opinions.
I like Marks idea too. 3 to go.
We should also be very clear, the tomos estoril is far superior to the puch estoril. Just throwing that out there.
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