Can any tell me which of the these three is the best??
Why is the Parmakit most expensive?? Do all of these kits offer the same performance benefits?? Thanks
Can any tell me which of the these three is the best??
Why is the Parmakit most expensive?? Do all of these kits offer the same performance benefits?? Thanks
lol.
yeah that helps me out a lot man, you were new at one point too.......ass.
honestly the best first kit is like an alukit if you've got a tomosssssss or whatever. it's a good kit. you can blast plenty fast with it, and if you're an idiot and mistune it, you won't be out double price
Define your idea of "best". Everyone has different needs. Whats your riding style? Do you need lots of torque? Do you lots of speed? What's your riding style? Do you slow down and accelerate out of curves? Do you have lots of hills in your area?
Kits are like pipes. Each has its own powerband. that powerband can be changed, but for a newbie, you won't know how to do that yet. You'll learn soon enough if you knew enough to put performance questions in the performance section. Thats a hell of a lot more than some newbies here! lol.
I'm sorry I really can't help you any more, because I honestly havn't run many different kits (only a few metrakits, tccds, kstars, and swiss cheese stock cylinders)
Just my .02
Eric
Moped eats shit and dies going up hills, so I guess I need more torque on the low end to speed it up. My bike also tops out low 30's on the flat, so I want to speed that up as well.
So maybe someone can give me a recommendation using those needs?? I have a lot of friends who know motorcycle and small engines and tuning them like the back of their hand so I am not worried about mistuning. I am looking for the most top speed increase for my $$$ but also want to be able to chug up hills faster (30-35 would be great, as opposed to slowing down to less than 15-20).
Eventually I want to upgrade everything I can: Chamber, carb, intake, cylinder kit, air filter, the works.
With powerbands in mind, if I were to start off with a BiTurbo, what would be a good kit to go with this chamber. I feel like there should be an upgrade guide somewhere about matching up performance products.....
Thanks all,
Hunter
I'm sure you are going to hear this a ton from other people on this site, but take it slow. I wouldn't slap together a cylinder kit, carb, pipe, filter, etc. all at once, especially if you're new. Most people start with a pipe and filter and work your way up from there.
There's never really a _perfect_ match-up of performance gear... it's all about what you're looking for. Just going by what you're saying and knowing cinci terrain, I'd consider the Estoril pipe too. Little more $, but it's supposed to be a much broader and lower powerband, whereas the biturbo is more of a top end pipe. Better on hills, and still a good top speed boost.
4 stroke and 2 stroke tuning are not the same.
As far as hills go, you CAN get a bike to "blast" up hills with a Biturbo, (I live in SF - hilly as fck) but it usually takes a bit of clutch tuning and proper carb tuning. I would also recommend a reed valve kit over a piston ported kit for quicker reponse. If you don't know the difference, then maybe you shouldn't go there yet.
I built Heathers bike (refer to the tuning sheet) and it goes up hills almost as fast as my variated VLX (well almost...)...with a piece of shit 3 year old biturbo...lol.
Also, keep in mind whatever kit you get, know exactly what you need to make everything work. You don't want to buy something and find out that it won't bolt on without doing this or that. Do your research and search the forums as much as you can.
ALL single.. speed engines.. are slow up hills.. unless you know the tricks of the trade.
yeah. i hate peeople who are such assholes to new people.
if you were to start out with a biturbo all you have to do is move to new jersey and you'll go 60 and climb hills with ease.
hahahaha Jersey sounds like the place to be if you have a moped!!
Are you guys flying and getting your mopeds off the ground yet??
i have an Airsal 70cc kit on my maxi with an E50... Rips pretty good. Havnt pushed it too hard seeing as i'm still breaking it in... But ive also heard that the Airsal kits come "virturally" already broken in.
I would save the cylinder kit as your last upgrade. Start with a new carb and pipe and see where that gets ya.
Seriously, having friends who know small engines is a huge help. I work with some guys from the scooter scene and having them around is awesome for tuning questions. Didn't stop me from soft-seizing my metra twice though... i swear that thing just hates oil mix less than 40:1
Buy cast iron imho. Reliability > Speed. I've been running a cast iron Metra on my Derbi for 2 years trouble free. I've run it wide open for long stretches without a second thought.
The parma is a better kit. They are very similiar, but the parma has two transfer windows in the cylinder, and the alukit has one, which gives the parma a lot more potential. both should be a great improvement over stock.
I'm messin' with the alukit with a Proma pipe right now....so far I'm not impressed.....it's early though and I ran outta gas before I could dial it in.
the alukitty was my first kit and the parmakit was my second kit..i learned a lot more math about porting and flow before i ported the parma..i gps'd over fifty with me alukit and my parmakit blasts my old alukitty.....absolutly blasts me old kit...i don't have a gps'd speed yet but imo the parmakit is better... as tommy said you have two extra transfer ports, a longer boost port and the exhaust port and transfer ports start bigger than the alukit..the intake is way bigger too... both of the kits were and are on an e50..long story short, the parmakit is worth the extra loot just know what you are doin...
parma is better quality. but the others are cheaper so you don't feel so bad when you seize it and you probably will. all will give you great benefits parma just a wee bit more
This has been pretty helpful to read. Just got a Motobecane 50V and parma kits were highly reccomended to me by a lot of the other HS...in looking around online its really hard to define whats the best kit for anything.
Havent really kitted a moped by myself before. My first moped was kitted but the kit was scarred when I got it and I didn't know enough to even really know what that was. Eventually the engine went to hell for a totally different reason. Noob.
Pretty stoked on doing the work and the math.
Anyway. Parmakits are a dash more expensive and the pics online make em look a little bobo. But based on what everyone has told me about kit quailty and versatility, I think I'm leaning toward getting one.
Stoked!
Get an Airsal kit with a Tecno Estoril, 15mm bing and high flow, 3 shoe clutch and 16x45 gearing. Mine eats hills for breakfast. It's a one speed e50.
Ed is right though a single speed needs some time to get into the powerband before shredding a hill. Pedals help. Mine pulls pretty hard, but I've done some timing and point gap tweeks, clutch tuning, etc...
I hereby take back what I said about the alukit....I got it dialed in now and it rips pretty hard....just took some timing and points tuning. POWER IS IN THE POINTS!!...oh and clutch mods help a little too....
I have owned all 3..but on Tomos A35
Alukit has more bottom than the Airsal..Airsal more top speed
Parmakit more expensive but had both power and speed.
Value for the money..K-Star Alukit for $99
I have Alukit and Airsal of these right now on running peds. I whip them like rented mules. Break in was light coating of synthetic oil when installing, 5 minutes of idle, then 30 minutes of varied throttle up to 35 mph..then whip like rented mule at WOT!!
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