Yamaha Chappy

ok long story short i got a 1980 yamaha chappy (lb50pg). it has 4050 miles on the thing so i put a polini 70cc kit on it. the carb is shot so why not just get a aftermarket one. i look and ive read to get a phbg carb. at treatland i can get a 19mm intake that fits the moped but i cant find a phbg carb with a cable choke that is 19mm. I can get a 21mm phbg carb with a cable choke but cant get a intake to fit well atleast i cant find. and im planning on getting a ninja pipe and change the powerband with 4 petals. so i need to find a carb and intake.

chris

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they have it, just buy a pull choke phbg, and replace it with a cable choke if you NEED a cable choke that bad.

Yamaha Chappy

sorry i cant find a 19mm clamp carb with a cable choke

if possible i want to keep the moped oil inject not mixed.

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you just hook up the cable choke to where the pull choke mounts to and it works perfectly

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The choke on the phbg is kinda modular like, you can put whatever choke you want on it.

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I just took the cable choke off mine. I had a hard time fitting the white plastic piece back on, so whatever. The nice thing is you don't have to keep the choke pulled with your thumb.

Also, I went ahead and converted to pre-mix. I wasn't sure how to (or if I needed to) calibrate the oil injection for use with a different carb, so I took it apart and took out the drive gear. Now I have space for a rain jacket under the seat!

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ok so i order the polini 19mm intake and a phbg 19mm clamp carb with the pull choke. and i heard to get http://www.treatland.tv/malossi-VL6-4-petal-reed-block-p/malossi-reed-block-stuffed.htm to change the power band and then the ninja to max out speed

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i should order sorry no edit post

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) Cupermcnewbster ( /

woot! Another kitted chappy.

I highly doubt that four petal is just going to sit right in there without some modifications. I am using one of those $30 Top ones up on treatland right now (got the whole intake, just using the reed block), but I had to slightly dremmel open the intake on the cylinder (mainly square out the corners and widen the sides just a tad) and open the holes on the reed block to fit the bolt pattern. I tried setting in my gila reed block (same size as malossi) and it wasn't really very close).

I'm just premixing on mine now, with a 21mm carb (cable choke and malossi e12 air filter) and the gianelli pipe. Mine does a comfortable 45 and gets there reasonably quick despite my super fat jetting. The Ninja pipe has a huge restrictor that basically part of the header and really not very easy to remove unless you chop the header and weld on the one from your stock header. Other than that, the chamber is super nice and would likely rev out much higher than the gianelli (like a foot of header pipe).

I can't imagine what these bikes would do if they didn't weigh a ton. Luckily the bottom end is rock solid, so I guess there are trade-offs.

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have you used the 19mm carb if so which is better the 21mm of 19mm

what intake are you using

how hard to adapt the reed kit in that cylinder or is there a better fitting kit

your saying the gianelli pipe is better what if you destrict the ninja

im also thinking about putting bigger wheels on but thats a lot of cash so

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) Cupermcnewbster ( /

I dunno, I've always run a 21 on it. I think a 19 might actually be a little better, but who knows, the overall difference in speed is negligible. I have the polini intake that treats sells.

Not sure if the gianelli is better, but thats what I've used. I originally wanted the ninja, but then after seeing the two, I dunno, both are have their flaws. The ninja chamber is awesome, its just that header restrictor that sucks. If you know anyone who can weld, just chop and reweld the stock portion and it'll be fine. The gianelli also has a restrictor, but its just tacked in and comes right out. The header is way too long also, so my pipe is all low end, and basically sucks from 30 to 45. It gets there, just no pull.

If you want to get creative, get some other pipe and just weld it up to fit. I'd love to try like a ninja g2 or a simonini calibrata or even a metrakit giant muff. The stock chappy header is huge (same size as the aftermarket pipes), so any of these could work with a little fabrication.

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im prob just get the gianelli pipe looks good and performs well. how hard is it to change the sprockets for more speed. i no i will lose speed climbing hills up isnt that what low gear is for. so anyone know any sprockets to use

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) Cupermcnewbster ( /

lb80 rear sprocket is a little smaller. You aren't going to lose any torque up hills. My bike blasts most everything up any hill.

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ok thats just a bolt on

the intake im going to has the fittings for gas and oil so i can just hook those back up and keep it oil injected

by the time im done this is gonna do 40 at least and be basically new

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) Cupermcnewbster ( /

I would not keep the oil injection. While its unlikely it'll fail, the risk is just not worth it. You should do 40 no problem. I've hit just over 50 on mine.

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what setup are you running to hit over 50

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yeah, why do you want to keep oil injection? premixing isnt a hard thing at all. plus even though those injectors NEVER fail, the chappy one isnt designed to inject correctly and high speeds.

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) Cupermcnewbster ( /

Full tuck and a little drafting got me there. Only happened once, it was crazy. I probably had a leak that leaned me out. Regardless, I've done probably 500 miles now, 90% of that at wide open. Fun stuff.

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not that premixing is hard im american im lazy. i can mix gas. does the carb get effected by running mixed. im assuming you just use 2 stroke injector oil.

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what jet should i run in the 19mm carb so it is even closer of being perfectly tuned

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I would seriously think about premixing. The oil injector is calibrated to the exact amount of fuel delivery of the stock carb. The fuel delivery of a 19 phbg is a lot more than the stock carb. Too little oil for proper lubrication.

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what ratio

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If you are running a Polini go with what Polini suggested and use Sabre at 60:1.

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