MOPED ARMY

A stock Derbi will do 40 and take you up hills. I mean a Derbi or a Honda Hobbit would be best, but any variated Motobecane or Peugeot is good too, and all have kits/pipes/etc available.

Motobecane, FTW!

you dont need to swap the whole engine to make a PA-50I happy, you just need the reed block, carb (not even really a necessity), and variator ramp plate.

as far as hobbits go, you need an expansion chamber, first and foremost. that is the best performance upgrade you can do for a hobbit, but those are getting harder and harder to come by. you can always hack and weld though. kits are pretty readily available through treats and 77. so basically a kit, pipe, and a ramp plate, and you're in business. you can also get stiffer clutch springs from a dio or a gy6, but they arent necessary and you up your chances of snapping your crank on the variator side.

hobbits are fun, and easy to tune. dont let people tell you that they arent worth it because the carbs are hard to get at, they just dont know.

Going _40mph_ up a long hill is going to take a lot of performance gear and tuning no matter what bike you get. Also, it's gonna help if you get a bike that's not really heavy, and if you're not really heavy.

That pretty much counts out the moby 50v. You can make a 50v rip of course, but they're the heaviest moped around. If you wanna fly up hills it's gonna take more gear. Definitely an entire new +$200 variator/clutch pulley set-up and a well-ported engine+exhaust. The currently available 70cc av7 kit+pipe is still gonna require a performance clutch pulley, because you're gonna need to tune your clutch or else you'll still have poor low end. People who have ripping 50v's seem to be real expert.

The 103 has a the widest variety of performance kits, rpm-range pipes, variators, etc all at a variety of _prices_ as well. They are also a more common bike, where as a derbi will cost you. I like the 103 better simply because as a stock bike, it's easier to make it rip than with a moby-- again because of the heaviness and difficulty in tuning the stock clutch/variator-- all you really have to do is go pipe+sha/reeds+remove three-balls from clutch and you're set (well if you're small like me. Maybe not _40_ up hills, but still pretty good.

dur u guys are all derb and hobbit crazy right now. I'll break it down

imo

your number one choice should be peugeot 103

why? cuz its easy to find, parts are plentiful, you don't need to swap many motor parts, and it responds very well to minimal upgrades .ect to make it fast, its easy to step up slowly and easy to work on. also there is a variator and a chain so lots of gearing. the only downside really is the swinging motor if its really a downside, anyone who tells ya a french bike can't match a derbi or hobbit 4 performance doesn't know what they are talking about its just a bit more work to get the uber power outta them.

that being said if you can hold out for a derbi if you are truly looking for the max and getting it with alot of bolt on tech. they are also easy to work on and respond very very well to minimal upgrades. all the models even piston port can go fast, also these bikes are by far the beefiest sturdiest of the choices. but are very rare and parts are also not as plentiful. also like the peugeot it has a variator and a chain, so there is more possibility for gearing. on the plus the motor does not move.

3rd choice hobbit, similar to derbi in many ways stationary motor counterclutch system, however there is no chain drive so all the gearing is internal, meaning more work to change if you desire. the shittiest part about hondas if you have to literally take the whole bike apart to get to the carb, not to hard if your used to it but really shitty if your tuning a super setup. these bikes are also quite rare but no as much as the derbi. Also unless its squeeky clean these bikes run crappy with stock carbs, really crappy cuz it clogs daily.

4th choice is motobecane, almost identical to peugeot in many ways except in the details, motor mounted by he head, crappier electrical that's harder to swap out, comes with a piston port motor and the real power in is the reed av10 euro version so that needs to be swapped for max power, the whole bike in general is much more delicate then the other options and should be treated such. its the easiest bike to access all the parts making it fast to work on once you know the ins and outs. I won't get into all the details that make it the 4th choice but there are alot of small hurdles and $$ to get over b4 you can make one epic fast. thus they don't respond well to minimal upgrades.

lastly the vespa is something you want to steer clear of unless your out looking for a challenge. these bikes have just as much (or more) potential as all the others but the amount of work involved to get there eclipses the other choice 5 times over. the main downside being the stock case intake is not a true rotary valve and has a stock intake port of 13mm that can't be increased really, and most kits (all sold by us moped distributors) have tiny little exhaust ports because the motor has a 3 stud cylinder design and the 3rd one is right where the exhaust port should be, so there is a tiny port even on kits. Meaning it responds poorly to minimal upgrades and super setups are also hard to achieve. the variators are also smaller then those on the derb and honda, and there is no chain drive so its also all internal gearing. There are many more details that make vespa super hard to sup up, but the last and most lame is the fact that you have to drop the motor and basically disassemble it to get to the ignition, hella hard to do if your trouble shooting a cdi or something....like i said want a challenge go vespa otherwise don't touch it.

pug 103

derbi

hobbit

moby

vespa

all other variated bikes are too unsupported to really include in the list, but if you resourceful anything is possible.

Also as others have suggested like honda motors on moby etc. anything is a possibility, and any of the bikes can be made into the masterblaster no mattter what the make/model check it:

motobecane:

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good thread! waiting for more.

I agree with what is said above, but a lot comes down to what is available. 103s are rare in michigan. There are tons of Hondas and moby's

103's arent too easy to come by in the south either, but i find hobbits hand over fist around here.

if hondas are more available then pugs then go honda 4 sure. i generally find pugs easy to coem by at least in the west. if ur going for a super build and the most common thing is moby go for it cuz if u plan to swap out all (i stress all) the original moby parts with performance then its just like a pug, and pretty easy to build and tune.

yeah it all depends on availability of bikes/parts as well as the lvl u want to take the build.

personally i like the moby cuz its more elegant a design then the other bikes.

Same goes for Florida...I know of a whopping 3 103's in existence!

Peugeot FT classic W, Honda's for the reliable and Derbi's for the insanely expensive...

yeah true mobys don't have to be expensive to go fast but the piston port kits out there for mobys can't hold a candle to an av10 kitted bike and why spend all that $$ on piston upgrades if ultimatly u want super reed power

also neglecting the transmission and only going for kits carbs and pipes on a moby is a bad idea if u want power comparable to any of the other variated choices with the same mods (2 speeds will kill u too in accl). the stock equipment responds poorly to just motor upgrades (even kits). unlike pugs where the stock equipment can take u much further along the performance latter before it needs to be completely ditched....

man i could go all day on variated bike shit

pretty, pretty mobies.

Hello all. I'll admit, the response to this thread was way better than I expected! Many thanks to everyone who took the time to type an informative response!

Now I just need to decide which machine would be best, and start looking for one! I will probably just keep my eyes peeled for any of the "top 4" and go with what I can find... Unfortunately, central PA isn't exactly the moped capital of the US, and they can be hard to find around here (Especially if its NOT a Puch!) Of course there is that 103 that was in the barn that I saw last fall... (If its still there AND its variated)

Thanks again for the responses!

I will be selling a couple of my hondas and 103 bikes maybe a couple motobecane bikes also.. holding on to the derbis for now

fred