What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jersey

So I've been reading here and there about the A3 motor that I got on this thing - and I'd love to kit it and hit the claimed 50 mph - shit I'd even be happy with 40-45...

I bought it just to ride to work and go out bars etc... Sold my xj 600 Seca 2 and have this till the next motorcycle... but it's so much fun I can tell I'm not ever letting her go.

Anyway, I cleaned her out real good - and found that the piston has some scrapes on it - so I'm looking into just getting the stock piston and head replaced... but after reading up on some of the mods regarding kitting - it's peaked my interest to do so... looks like the parts required are kind of a pita to source - I mean, where the hell do you get the puch bearing, kit etc...? I understand the wrist pin on this thing is 10mm and needs to be 12mm to use any kit right? What kind of a budget should I expect to put into this? $400 is quite a bit of change...

peace

Re: What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jer

Doh! sorry to double post - meant to put up my screen name how do you delete?

Re: What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jer

"This thread":http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/discuss/read.php?f=7&i=89881&t=89881&v=f is gold. I think you can get the necessary bushing from Ike's Bikes -- just send an e-mail and ask if he's got what you need. Once you change out the bushing, you can use the Puch kits or the Tomos A35 kits. Probably the best (and cheapest) place to look for those is Treats. Just know that if you put a Puch kit on it, you'll have to do a little fabrication/making-it-work on your exhaust -- Tomoses have an angled exhaust port and the pipe goes out to the right side. Puchs (70cc and below, anyway) have a flat exhaust port and the exhaust goes to the left. You'll probably have to invent a new mount and/or cut and weld a Puch exhaust to fit a Tomos kit and vice versa.

Re: What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jer

I've searched & seen the performance FAQ's for the a55 posted above - & watched the vid on the A 3 mod - which is what got me interested in possibly doing it - seems like it's not as plug and play as for the a35 motor. All my searches on the reccomended moped shops have kits for the a35 & 55 but I don't see any specific to the A3 thus - where to get the required work around parts? I'd rather not deal with reaming anything...which would neccesitate a machine shop.

Re: What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jer

Heh. Thx you answered while I was posting again... Damn I was hoping it'd be easier than that. Plus I kinda like the look of the stock exhaust - but I guess a biturbo or something like that would be in order to make the most of it. No chance of using the stock pipe with out the baffle?

Re: What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jer

Thnks again mycider - I'm sure you're all tired of newb questions... The puch bearing sounds a lot easier than milling - and I see now that opens it up to any kit...

Re: What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jer

Yep, with the Puch wrist pin bushing, you open the door to the wonderful and fully-fleshed-out world of Puch and Tomos kits. If you go with a Tomos kit, you can keep the stock exhaust, but I wouldn't unless you _want_ to restrict the power you'll be getting with a kit. Usually I tell people who want to mod their mopeds to start with an exhaust because it's cheaper than a kit and harder to mess up. Since you want to replace your top end anyway, you might as well kit it instead of going stock again (A3 cylinders are pretty wimpy).

You should really get an exhaust to complement the kit, though. If you like the stock pipe, the Bullet is pretty close -- I've got one for my A3, and it looks nice (also said to be higher quality than the Biturbo). Treats is out of stock of them right now, but you could sign up to get e-mailed when any of the pipes you like you like are back in stock.

Treats is also a good place to get jets, since you'll need those once you put all this performance stuff on -- if you've got the Encarwi carb, you can use Bing jets, although a lot of people would tell you to get at least a 15.15 Dellorto SHA if you're going to kit it.

Re: What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jer

Thanks,

Well I've been looking at Treats and this is what I've put together so far... see the attached word doc...

I'm worried about clearance with all this stuff - particularly the intake and the air filter - with regards to the frame..

I need to double check what size carb is on my bike now as I know it's a dellorto... maybe the previous owner already modified that part and if it's big enough all I'll need are the jets - that is if it didn't come stock with that. At any rate I've tacked a 20 mm dellorto to the order - just don't know how that'll fit with the frame & 70 cc head.

I also need to know what size petcock would fit on this tank... Would you happen to know off hand? Gotta get a new one.

Thanks!

Re: What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jer

Okay, the Alukit is a good choice. Well, not like I have any experience with it, but it's got reeds at least, and those are good. That carb you've got on the picture is a PHBG -- they have 3 jets and are a lot harder to tune than the SHA you've probably got in there now. They're also bigger, and the SHA is a tight squeeze as it is. I'm pretty sure the PHBG isn't going to fit in that stupid hole (I'm not a fan of the carb under frame thing), and it definitely won't fit with that air filter on it. If you want to run that carb and air filter, you'll need to invent a new intake that gets the carb out of that hole. Or, you could get this. Lastly, if you do end up getting the clamp style PHBG, you don't need the rubber mount.

On the petcock, you've got a few options. The Maxi ones should fit, although the little bendy part might be a little weird (but maybe not... if your Bullet is like my Bullet, it's pretty much the same as a Maxi). I've heard that the Honda Hobbit and Vespa Bravo petcocks fit Puchs, and right now I've got an A35 petcock on my Puch, so I would assume that the Hobbit and Bravo petcocks would also work on an A35 or A3. I would feel most comfortable saying that this one would work on your ped, though I don't want to guarantee that 100%.

Re: What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jer

That was exactly what I was thinking - for the location of the carb... just didn't know that it had to be a custom fab on the intake...

Hmm now you got me thinking I may be making this more complicated than I need to - while that is incredibly bad-ass (pic of the wheelie) - and hitting 50 on a ped sounds unbelievable - I do want to keep the front end down for most of the intended use of the moped (going to work up a steep hill) ... I weigh 220-230 and just wanted more power - seems like I'd be killing the pristine showroom quality of the bike if I start modding this heavily - what would be just a step down from this - like sticking to the 15.5 SHA carb and possibly adding the exhaust... I still want the functionality of the pedals etc... you think that would work with the 70cc - or should I look to another possibly lower kit?

It's not like I'm gonna race this thing...

eventually want to get another motorcycle to satisfy the need for speed... so I'm not looking for all that in the moped...though at first it sounded awesome, now I'm thinking I'd be biting a lot to chew... not more than I could handle - just trying to keep it simple...

Thanks for the heads up on the petcock... I'm gonna hold off a bit on finishing the order... want to get this right.

Re: What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jer

just stay with a piston port and you can keep your carb and intake the puch 70cc kstar kit or the 65 metra will work and be buch lees work to try for your 1st kit if it was me i would get the

70cc kstar puch

70cc head puch

estoril tomos

make an air filter

get like the next 10 jets up from your stock one or just drill your stock one tell it makes the plug black than go down 1

Re: What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jer

You could do the bushing thing and get a stock A35 cylinder, then get one of these to get the carb out of the hole. I don't know how that intake would work with a 15 or 16mm carb, but you could ask at treats if nobody here can tell you. Even with the 14.12 that you probably have on there, just adding the exhaust would help a fair amount, and you can mod the SHA air filter to make it less restrictive. If you tuned it right, I'd think you could probably get pretty close to 40 with the A35 cylinder, 14.12 carb, and exhaust, but I'm far far far from an expert on that, so hopefully someone else can correct that estimate if I'm wrong. (A bigger carb wouldn't hurt for the 40mph goal either.)

Re: What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jer

That is sounding more reasonable... is this what you mean? sorry to seam ignorant but I didn't find "kstar" anywhere in there

http://www.treatland.tv/puch-70cc-cylinder-treat-kit-people-p/puch-treat-kit-70cc-head-party.htm

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Thanks a lot for all your help mycider - it's gotten me a lot closer to figuring out what I want - I'll try to get in touch with the treat guys tomorrow. Between these two options I'm sure something good will come of it... and when it's done I'll be sure to post pics.

peace

Re: What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jer

yes thats it i have both the kits and love them but the alu is much more work

Re: What up from DC! I got that Blue bullet in Jer

the kstar has a flat exhaust port, so you would have to hack and weld the tomos estoril to get it to fit up. Just go with an a35 top end, estoril, that side intake, and a new air filter. It'll be the easiest route and you'll be going quite a bit faster.

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