Ring End Gap

I took a look at my Metra80 dykes ring and it looks rather large

So I measured the gap at .002" which I'm pretty sure is waaaaaaaaay to small. I did some poking around and found this formula. How do you all set your gap?

The gap should be .004" per 1.000" of bore.

Example: your cylinder has a 2.500" cylinder bore

2.5 x .004 =.010

Your ring end gap should be no smaller than .010". Gently push the ring into the cylinder bore so it is parallel and about 1" below the head surface. Use a feeler gauge to measure the end gap. Larger is OK, smaller has to be corrected. Use a flat file to remove material from the ends of the ring if needed.

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John Joedicke /

Good rule of thumb.

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my gila kit has a ring about that gap size as well and it falls of the piston. its the top ring

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I would go .012-.014. Two strokes get that ring hot in extreme situations. Also you have two rings so why worrry about blowby, within reason

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RJ-

I was just poking around the various instructions listed on the Malossi website, they indicate that the piston ring gap should be no greater than 0.7-0.8mm or 0.027-0.031" ... 0.002" is microscopic(!) my feeler gauge only reads down to .006(!!) I can't find any info on dykes rings specifically, perhaps they operate differently than standard ring types (?)

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they do operate diffently.

they get pushed to the outside of the piston whenever they encounter pressure, makes for a very tight seal.

~SABAT!

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same here. haven't installed it yet.

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another tip- use the piston to push the ring into the bore, it'll be level that way.

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So... where did you get that forumula, Dr. Phil?

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*formula

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I found that formula on a website for two stroke motorcycle pistons, but I ended up setting it at .014, assuming that Snordly knows best, and also that the formula seems a little big for such a small piston and may not really translate well. It also looked nice in the bore at .014, much better than not really fitting.

Ring End Gap

#CrazyWayne™ rocks. #CrazyWayne /

For a 2 ring set up the top ring should be 0.0035" to 0.0045" .

The lower ring gap needs be 0.002" bigger then the top ring.

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.0035 is way too tight, in my opinion.

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I have a stupid dykes piston for Garelli with the exact same problem, it's just been sitting on my shelf because I didn't know exactly how to fix it.

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Philip

When the ring seats the gap gets bigger.

And when the ring is under presser the gap gets even bigger.

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Quatto

Use 800 wet dry sand paper .

Fold sand paper over a hack saw blade and sand away.

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um... duh.

I meant the formula, not how to sand the ends of things.

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#CrazyWayne™ rocks. #CrazyWayne /

LoL

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Anyone know which ring is the top ring on the 70cc Parmakit.?

The smaller at the top?

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Mine came assembled in the kit. Not sure if Benji and Treatselves did that for me or Parmakit did it. But I'm not mixing them up now...

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#CrazyWayne™ rocks. #CrazyWayne /

Having the lower ring with a bigger gap helps the top ring seat .

It helps prevent oil/carbon gumming between the 2 ring,s at high RPMs its a racing trick,

NOT a out of the box thing YOU have to do it your self.

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When the ring heats up it expands, though, and I don't want the ring ends pushing into each other and snagging a port.

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#CrazyWayne™ rocks. #CrazyWayne /

The cylinder expands to .

Now your wasting my time later peace out

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and for there high performance single ring cylinders malossi publishes 0.15 mm of ring end gap and to 2 x 45 degree chamfers on the outboard edge of the gap. That is for a hard-chromium coated cast iron ring.

-naz

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A larger gap takes into consideration that you are not always going to be running at optimum fuel/air ratio of the kind that would overheat the ring. Maybe a spec of something partially plugging the jet, riding into a cold air front, or fuel starvation for some reason. If you can maintain good compression and have negligable blowby whats the harm in having a .012-.014 ring gap? It may silently save you someday

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This is how you all are blowing pistons and kits, you keep fucking with the rings and shaving the pistons and doing other shit like that. Unless you know exactly what you are doing leave the rings be and just tune the carb well.

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Crazy Wayne, I feel bad for wasting your time. In an effort to not waste any more, please don't read any more of my threads or post in them. I value your time.

Quickreference - If you think what tuning means is swapping out your main jet, then you have quite a bit of learning to do.

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#CrazyWayne™ rocks. #CrazyWayne /

Yes Naz high performance chromium ring/s need taper at the ends to prevent the chromium from flaking off.

And single ring cylinders running over 10,000 RPM,s need more end gap 0.0045" to 0.0055" .

Single ring cylinders running over 11,500 RPM,s 0.006

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#CrazyWayne™ rocks. #CrazyWayne /

Jet,s ?? WHF.

I'm talking RING end gap not Jets LOL.

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Not what I meant, just saying that shaving your piston rings is a good way to end up with a blown kit. Running your ped with a badly tuned carb is another way to do the same thing. So, to avoid both leave the rings nice and snug and just tune your carb well. The rings are not made of a very soft metal, they do not expand all that much unless you do something way wrong. If that happens the ring will expand in all directions and will likely get stuck in the ring groove. Im sure you have seen the pics of that. The little pin in the ring groove will stop the ring from going to far length wise and it will expand outwards causing a ... soft seize. Do it a bit worse and it will seize up permanent like.

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