MOPED ARMY

Yamaha QT50.

Not a ped, tho.

Just a puch in general.. E50 especially, it's so damn simple it's almost scary. I put my GF on one since she generally rides 5 to 7 days a week. Which is more then I do :-)

-naz

i guess i mean that will go fast too... reliable and fast, hence why i started of thinking of the streetmate.

If you want a cheap and reliable bike it won't be fast.

If you want a cheap and fast bike it won't be reliable.

If you want a fast and reliable bike it won't be cheap.

That said, the best way to go is to buy a stock bike and add a performance exhaust, bigger carb and performance air-filter. Keep the stock cylinder. That way it will be pretty reliable and pretty fast.

And generally, a stock bike with less miles will be more reliable. An old Puch Maxi can be just as reliable as a new Tomos. I have a stock Puch Maxi with a Proma GP, it does around 40 and it has never let me down. Sure some things wear down over time, but it never stopped running or had a major breakdown. And I've had that bike for a long time.

For straight speed you're better of with a Tomos Sprint or Targa LX then a streetmate due to weight, though the disc brakes and hydrolic forks are nice obviously. But any good Tomos, Puch E50, or Minarelli can be very reliable while still being fast.

Jesse, with all do respect... Roald knows more about mopeds than you, your brother and me combined.

I'd listen to him over just about anyone on this forum.

And yeah, a Puch is the answer.

Easy to work on, easy to find parts for.

Word.

$350 for a kit? $160 for an exhaust? Most kits are around $200, right now the tomos alukit is $105 on treats, and you can get an exhaust for $80 though obviously there are higher end ones. Point is that you could basically throw $185 on a tomos a35 plus upjet and airfilter, so maybe $210, and get a lot more power. I've spent lots more on builds but you don't have to.

The Hobbit is most reliable for me.

Thanks Justin, that means a lot to me. Especially coming from you. You're the Hobbit wizzard as far as I'm concerned ;)

And I don't know if I know more than you, him and his brother combined, but that's not my point. Even if I did know jack shit about peds, his argument is still BS.

I'm not letting him dismiss me with an argument that's purely personal. He might think that top of the line performance parts are available and within reach for all of us, but for me $350 for a kit is just too much. I can't miss that kind of money.

And with the top of the line parts his ped won't last very long, unless he has the skills to build the engine properly or have it build for him.

And all that still doesn't change the fact that a wicked fast high revving ped shreds through clutches, bearings and pistons way faster than any tuned ped with a stock jug ever will. Great for daily driving... Especially city miles...

Ever tried daily commuting city miles with a fast 80cc kit, JT? You should. Let me know how it works out for ya...

My ciao is reliable as hell, starts every time. The stock 50cc (plus pipe and carb) made it through all three days of gender bender and never protested once. its still going, Fears no hill in San Francisco, and is faster off the line than kitted Puchs. Of course, said Puchs, catch me and blast by, but the little guy is a real trooper.

Tomos ,just for the simple fact you are going to be in NC where they are distributed out of and the parts, both OEM and performance are redially available for a "modern" moped. Not a 30 year old + retread!

Just saying, my well kitted Tomos LX has served me for 10 years now and all I have changed is a set of clutches. Now that is reliable, but the bike constantly evolves and maintainance is the key.

i love my sachs, but my tomos is SO much more reliable and easy to get after mkt for. i even live 10 min from handybikes.... i suggest to get 2 bikes. theyr relatively cheap, and easy to find (at least where im @ there always a few for sale 400 and under). and if you need to you can always use the other one. or sell it if you need the dough. put a lil work on one and you can sell it for a good profit.

a new tomos with a cheap kit, cheap pipe, and upjetted carb is probably your best bet.