Motobecane exhaust ball joint substitute

For a while now ive been trying to figure out a affordable substitute for the ball joint on motobecane exhaust. Ive haven't been able to figure out a way to get the real thing without ordering a crate of them...

I've got a couple ideas and was wonding if anyone else has come up with any.

#1 use a pice of high temp silicoln tubing. the main problem im coimg up with here is finding the right diameter, and im not sure it would flex easy enough, and strip out the jug

#2 Braided exhaust flex pipe. Pretty much the same issues with number one.

#3 Flexible exhaust pipe for routing custom exhausts. I'm sure you've seen this stuff before. The dimeter is again a problem and im not sure it would hold up to repeated flexing. on a plus side i know it would flex easy enough.

any other ideas would be greatly appreciated.

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shit talkin' hippy /

that simonini thing with the sliding joint was cool, I almost bought one, alas they are gone now

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#2 and #3 sound alright. do you have pics of an example of either? i know what the braid looks like but dont know about the flexible pipe stuff. would be cool to see what you come up with.

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Yeah that simonini pipe was pretty cool, Im not sure if it actually slid or just flexed within a rubber bushing like the vlx exhaust does.

The vlx exhaust style coupling was my first idea, but i came up with a few flaws that i would like to work around.

The bushing that is used to keep the pipe sealed leaves a ledge that in a expansion chamber im afraid would reflect part of the reverse pressure wave back, making the pipe less efficient. also the bushing on my vlx is leaking bad, but it could be because its from 1978...

there a quick drawing of my concern.

I think the ultimate moby pipe would use a flexing joint at the flange, a rotating rear mount, and a sliding tube at the header before the chamber. this way when the motor variates it shortens the header making the power band narrower.

keep in mind im not a pipe builder, and all my ideas could be competly wrong, but im pump to try working out a awesome winter pipe project.

heres a pic of the flexible exhaust tubing.

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yeah i've been thinking about this awhile myself. i think by repositioning the joint about 8 inches down the pipe, you could make it a gentler radius to bend, and you could use a braided flex coupler. the only problem would be the vibrations tearing up the braiding. we use something similar to the flex coupler on pumps at the hydraulics lab i work in and they take the high pressure and vibrations well.

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Trevor you're a mad genius.

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looks like a disaster to me.

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itd be interesting to see some R and D on all this... unfortunately i do not have the resources or know-how to volunteer.

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Ya know, you can order a single ball joint, along with most anything else still being made for the Moby's over at www.la-becanerie.com

It's a little pricey, but the Euro has not been this weak against the dollar in a LONG time so stock up now on your moby performance parts! It's 36 Euro for your basic package sent internationally. The last time I ordered from them, once the order was processed and boxed, it took 4 days to go from the outskirts of Paris to my door.

Nothing is going to touch the real thing.

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word up, mark.

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ah, well that's a good find right there isnt it!.

Maybe ill get one of the real joints, and spend the R&D time working on the sliding joint. Calculator here i come....

And yes, this most likely will result in a disaster, but i have to do something to keep me sane this winter.

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This French website la-becanerie... no English.

MBK51 - is that the equivalent of a 50V here in the states?

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no, the mbk51 is the av10, but you can use most of the exhaust parts interchangeably i believe.

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Did anyone try the flex pipe idea? I need to make/buy an exhaust for my spx build, and flex pipe should be pretty easy to find here in norway, a least compared to a ball joint.

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The flex exhause pipe does not do well if flexed often, it is bendable so a DIY person can route a fixed exhause on their vehicle without a pipe bender. It is spiraled steel with a channel lock on the spiral so it can come apart with no warning.

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I spent some time thinking about this because the noise was driving me crazy until I realized that all you need to do is use much much stronger springs and everything works great.

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Totally normal JBOT /

Melvin's bike was fast and solid.

I love this design.

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agreed but on a doppler pipe the spring mounting bracket will just bend after it gets heat soaked.....and that's with the stock springs. I end popping springs off at least once a week.. it sucks that I carry a spring puller and a handfull of springs in my roadside kit.....

I just snagged the malossi spring plate which is soooo much thicker than the doppler stock spring plate...

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Totally normal JBOT /

You could just weld brace at a right angle all the way around the plate to stop it from bending. I did that to my hobbit exhaust mount.

Makes it almost unbendable

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JBOT, Bringer of Fuckery Wrote:

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> Melvin's bike was fast and solid.

> I love this design.

> http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/file.php/7/109563/

> image.jpg

Looks good, might try something like that.

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Chris from Tomahawk just welded up a bidalot exhuast with a push spring system... this looks like the best long term solution. check it out on his site.

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