NC50 is a dog

I have an NC50 and it is powerless compared to my QT50 and only tops out at 25mph.

I don't believe the exhaust is plugged but could be wrong.

I may take a compression check tomorrow but it starts and runs very good except for being very could blooded.

I have the ability to modify most any part so I'm not above some serious souping up. I looked into custom exhaust but have yet to find any, may need to make my own. I also am considering grinding the ports but don't know how much to remove. So far Ive never had the engine apart or even had the exhaust off.

I guess my question is -what can I do to greatly improve power and top speed? I like the Honda much better then the Yamaha except for the slow thing.

Thanks

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lots of kits available and check dereks custom pocket bike pipe review.

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it could just be slower i go 25 on my fa 50 simple because thats how fast its gonna go :P

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I assume you are refuring to a posting in one of the forums. I have searched but can not find it. I dis find a place to get replacement headlights but not much more. I may buy a performance pipe for some other moped and weld it to my header pipe. Problem is I dont want a super loud one. Gotta keep the neighbors happy

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Get a spree head from an 86 or newer. I just threw one on my 79 express today and it went from 27 top to 29 top with a marked improvement all through the acceleration. Its like a 5 dollar ten minute mod, totally worth it. Also, I am waiting on one of these

http://cgi.ebay.com/F1-F2-MINI-POCKET-BIKE-2-STROKE-DUAL-EXHAUST_W0QQitemZ220250108270QQihZ012QQcategoryZ11332QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247

to do a hack and weld custom pipe job. I think I should have ordered 2 at that price, in case I mess one up, but whatevs.

I also am looking into putting a dellorto 14/12 on it, just because thats what I have access to. If I can't make that happen then I am going to waller out the main jet a touch and make a custo high flow air filter (pantyhose) and sand the bottom of the throttle slide a piece.

I'm not really interested in kitting it, as there is no broke ass almost free method of doing that.

Considering I got the bike for 40 bucks, got it running without any new parts accept a plug, I should have a mid-high 30's express for about 100 bucks.

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Quit bragging Tate.

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sowwee

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the spree head is an excellent thing to do, took me from 25 to 32 actually. i also removed my air filter.

you could also do what i did for one day, and run rc car nitro. i was peaking around 45. this was before the spree head.

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I actually have a gallon around and no more nitro trucks.

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Ed,, don't you run lean as hell without your filter and the new head? I know mine is running pretty hot as it is. Did you upjet? If so, lemme know where you can get jets for these, or if I should just go ahead and waller it out a bit. Also, did you use a head gasket or no? It looks like there is almost one built into the spree head, but I donno.

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no gasket, no upjetting. leaning it out really was the key to going faster i think. since i was running the oil injection i was getting a healthy amount of oil, but less gasoline, so it wasn't super unsafe. and also, you lose a little cc with that smaller head, so maybe you need less gas anyways? i don't really know. but it did 32 really well and ran fine.

and don't do the nitro. it was a joke. i tried it, but it could wreck everything.

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Im gonna try the spree head tonight i have one...what year works though? cause 84 piston was domed and the 85-87 piston was dished...the heads are different...which one you guys running?

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ok so 85 and up head...no gasket? stock plug....bp4hs. i am gonna do this tonight to my bone stock express with 320 miles on it. 100% stock bike and it runs 27-28...

ill post the results...

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A pipe and uni-pod filter are the easiest way to make these faster.

The spree head (I think the domed one, not sure, the squish band is domed) will up the compression; but I've found that it's not worth it as it blocks the flow of air across the cylinder fins, it's fins are set-up for forced air, and the increased compression leads to heat fade on any ride longer then 10 miles, you need to run a 5-7 plug. Not worth the gain IMO; I've gone back to a stock head on my fast bike,

That twin pipe linked above works great on the 2 speeds, sucks ball on the 1 speed, the power band is too high for the one speed to take advantage of it at a usable RPM.

Nitro will eventually kill your engine.

I have 2 real nice spree heads if anyone wants one, $20 shipped each. I also have 1 Proma Lowboy (polymer) (only pipe that was made to bolt up to the NC/NA/NU without loosing the stand) that I'd be willing to sell.

I hate to say it, but QT's are generally faster then NC's.

Just an FYI, I thought I had the fastest express in the US, but this weekend I was proven wrong. There is a person is South Dakota that will never post here that has made a NC50 that will do 50+ on a stock cylinder w/custom head, pipe (8p replica), and custom water cut GEARS. Yes you read that right, he has managed to do what was thought to be impossible and has made his own final drive gear; he's clearly too smart fot his own good.

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Oh yeah forgot a huge one, increase your exhaust duration!!!

Or just throw a kit on that bitch!

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what pocket pipe do you recommend for the express? I already have the dual exhaust one on the way but if there is another similarly priced one I would rather not waste my time/stock header if its not gonna be worth it. there is a one silencer model for the same price, looks like same expansion chamber, let me know if that will do. Also, what would you need for the polymer, although I'm sure I couldn't afford it, and yes, like I said, 86 or newer on the spree head if you choose to do that. Should I add some octane booster considering the upped compression, or is it not high enough to matter?

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http://cgi.ebay.com/X1-X2-POCKET-BIKE-PERFORMANCE-EXHAUST-PIPE-parts-49cc_W0QQitemZ350088483044QQihZ022QQcategoryZ11332QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

The one linked above is the best for a stock replacement, not to loud, no loss of lowend, +3-7 on the top; plus it matches up to the stock header perfecto!

See it in the attached pic on the Yellow NC.

1220992731_express_lowend_exhaust.jpg

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Well, it seems you know what your talking about so I reckin I'll order one. Also, If I just took some uni foam, you know, the stuff that comes in the plastic sleeve with the cardboard on top, would that have the same flow characteristics as the pod filter? I think I have some uni foam laying around, but I donno if its the same porosity. I figure I could just wrap that around the original intake, and If that doesn't work I will just use some pantyhose, stretched nice and thin.

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Not sure I like the Spree head. I rode about a mile and still couldnt get over 25mph. But the bad part was it started seizing. I think I will need to rethink this or just ride the Yamaha if I want to not get run over.

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Don't give up. My 77 express with a foam filter(ziptied on) and Tomos Techno Circuit cut and welded to the stock header goes 35mph (gps verified on flat ground). I tried the pocket bike pipe first and the low end sucked but it would hit like 32. With the Techno Circuit it has decent low end and good midrange/top end.

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theres a dude working for hyosung(scooter/motorcycle company) that had an express that does wheelies and has somewhere above 10 horsepower. he has a pipe, and some custom fitted kit, probably for a different scooter. i talked to him on the phone a while at work. he knows way too much and i was just shooting him dumb "uh huh"s most of the time

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What do you guys think of a high-flow k&n style filter instead of the stock air filter? Would it be Better or Worse? Whats the best kind of air filter for the NC50?

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I'm pretty sure it would give you more air flow, if thats what yer asking about the k&n. They are pretty steep though right? I am considering, as always, the cheapest way to do this. I'm thinking the pipe derek listed, maybe this filter

http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230288963218

and a an upjet. Before you go ahead and order the filter though, try leaning out yer mixture some and see if you like what it does.

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Don't get that pocket bike filter, the cone is too small and will cause 4-stroking at WOT plus the opening is the size of a Del 14/14 so like 2.5", they express has a 7/8" opening; just spend the extra $10 and get a 1" uni-pod.

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Very well, what is the best spot to get the unich pod airfilter?

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I had the motorcycle shop here locally just order like 3 and now he stock at least 2 of them all the time.

Just call around to all the moto-x shops around and ask if they carry Uni-pod filters with a 1" opening.

You'll need to shim it with a strip of old inner-tube or the like.

I'm sure you can order them online as well.

I prefer the longer ones, 4" I think, the shorties get to saturated with fuel.

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Those are the ones you want. I use the first one, and would recommend it over the other. 3" is the good one, 2" is the shorty one.

The red one would be more suited for off-road ridding but will work just fine (it'll just be bigger and red and might be able to flow better while very dirty).

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So, basically call around and ask shops ifn they have the uni xr50 performance filter?

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Also, I know this is going to make me sound stupid, but how do I go about increasing my exhaust duration?

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