Hobbit Variator

So, I'm wondering here, what should I do to mod my variator?

My new performance exhaust gives me a higher top speed but a lower acceleration. So maybe I should drill holes in my rollers and make them lighter?

I've read up on an additional mod where you cut notches for the rollers to stick out and while the thread told me how to do it, I wasn't sure what exactly I would be improving.

http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/discuss/read.php?f=7&i=41999&t=41773

towards the end of the thread he gives his rollers more weight. Thus I am confused. It seems contradictory. Unless he has two variators, one for low acceleration with light rollers and then another for super speed with the notches.

I guess my main question is, which one do I want?

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Raymond Rexroad /

What is your goal? If you find that your variator is "shifting" too early for your powerband, then you want lighter weights. This will cause the variator to "shift" at a higher RPM than stock.

If you want a higher top speed, then modify the variator as discussed in other threads/websites (adding notches to increase movable drive face travel.

Or, do both.

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would doing both work out? Campbell made it seem like heavy rollers were what ultimately made his notch plan work out.

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my current plan is to bump the compression to try and make the acceleration a little better.

the honda spree head is supposed to be a direct bolt on... i have one on the way i'll post up how it goes. eliminates the decomp valve but i never use it anyway.

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good luck, hobbit acceleration is already pretty ridonk stock. I'm interested to see what'll happen. How much is a spree head?

And yeah, back to my question, is it beneficial to do both mods on the same variator?

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Depends on if you have a PA50I or a PA50II

If you have a PA50II just play with the weights until you get what you want.

If you have a PA50I you can get into that notch cutting situation.

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ive got a sweet variator mod thats basically free and adds about 7 mph to a stock hobbit. I cut noches in the variator and then screwed metal plates on the outside of it to keep the weights from sliding out. Its hard to explain but ill post pics tomorrow.

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i modified my stock variator and got 7-8 mph, without screwing plates into it.

I did J cambell/west coast ben's mod.

but now i have a TJT variator :)

LeoVince/PA50II + Lighter Variator Weights = Sweet

Raymond Rexroad /

Put one of my two LeoVince's on Hobbit 1 about two weeks ago. Acceleration wasn't so good, until you got above 10 or 15 MPH.

Took out the PA50II variator weights (14 grams), put back in stock PA50I variator weights (8 grams), and MAN OF MAN - lots of acceleration - lots of fun.

P.S. I think that10 gram weights would be about optimal. if you drill out your PA50II weights with a 9/32" drill bit, it will be close to 10 grams.

P.S.P.S. Using a 1/4" bit = 12 grams; a 5/16" bit = 8.4 grams. I'll post the info to the wiki when I get a chance, with some info about "tuning" the stock variator.

No variator mod for me. The fastest posted speed limit in my nowhere town is 35 MPH (on two streets only). Most other streets are 30MPH. I've got those beat already. I need torque for our hills. Need my power down low.

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my dad's been doing a ton of experimenting lately. with his, he notched it, left that same weights, and loved it. got him another 5 mph on top end, and since he used the same weights, no loss on bottom end. he did make adjustable plates that go outside the variator, so he could control how far out the weights can fling.

anybody want a picture?

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Modding the variator just lets the plate travel further, Letting your belt climb higher and give you a higher final gearing. Thus more top speed, it wont change your low end.

Lighter weights will give you more low-end because you stay in a low gearing longer. But if they aren't heavy enough you wont be able to variate all the way which will kill your top end. Also if they are too light you end up running at high RPM all the time, even at lower speeds, which is bad for engine wear and gas mileage.

For the best performance all around you would mod the variator, then choose the lightest weights that are still heavy enough to open your variator all the way.

(disclaimer, I'm not a rad hobbit dude. This is just the same for all variated bikes)

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Raymond Rexroad /

For the best performance all around you would mod the variator, then choose the lightest weights that are still heavy enough to open your variator all the way.

Agreed.

The PA50I weights, on my PA50II with a LeoVince do have enough weight to open the variator all the way. Top speed was about 43MPH (on the speedo - I don't own a GPS).

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I would love to see some pictures of the variator mods.

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Prof. Monkey-For-A-Head /

Please! Pictures, yes!

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spree head will bolt on, but it has less fin area than the PA 50. Express head also bolts on, eliminates de-compressor, but gives you less compression.

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Not my pic, but this is what everyone uses.

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peter...whats a TJT variator?

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not sure if this is exactly it but pretty similar

treats had them for a second.

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The variator from Treats, I believe

-naz

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is it bolt on?

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your bolt on

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oi oi, at least use correct grammar to insult me!

no worries, i made my own anyway:

http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/discuss/read.php?f=7&i=94384&t=94254

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wow nice work I wonder if the urban has the same variator.

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i was being playful jerk. lol. radical variator

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anyone know if this apply s to other honda bikes

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sorry Troy...can we be friends?!

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if you love hobbits!

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Moped Game Sally Struthers /

troy really likes it when you call him by his nickname...trey.

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Im out of here . No answers and too much funny stuff.

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so okay, question. i just reread the variator notching mod thread and i am still a bit confused. how far down are the notches supposed to go? and one question that didnt seem to get answered is what keeps the weights from flying out?

basically, i want more bottom end. my hobbit flies like a bat out of hell once you hit 10-15 mph, but off the line its almost embarrassing. if i just drill out the weights like K&R Tech was saying, i would think it would be right on with the low end, but the idea of being able to open that variator up even more is intriguing as hell. i mean who can argue with a higher top speed?

maybe its just because its late, but i have spent the last hour reading these variator mod threads and i cant seem to find what i'm looking for here. who has done the notch mod with success and what weight rollers did you wind up using? if i drill them out to 10g, do you think that would be enough weight to open the variator all the way? i would experiment, but it seems like these rollers arent really the easiest things to come by and i would hate to render them utterly useless.

sorry if this makes no sense.

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