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Hi everyone,

Well more problems with my Magnum (e50, Metra kit, 19mm Dellorto)...

The bike will idle when it's up on the kickstand but not when it's on the ground. The bike will also run if you can get it up to speed (and runs great) but will die as soon as you come to a stop. In order for the bike to idle on the stand the idle speed screw needs to be turned in all the way, the air mixture screw does not seem to affect greatly but does make a difference. I put a bigger idle jet in there yesterday and it did make it idle better but still won't run off the stand. Is there still an air leak? I have sprayed that thing down with so much carb cleaner to no avail. I did find a leak between the intake an cylinder but I fixed that one and noticed a big change. This problem of not idleing off the stand actually started after I fixed that problem.

I'm pulling my hair out over here. I can't thank you guys enough for all the help I've gotten so far, sorry to keep posting so much, the Dellorto is a whole new world of pain.

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I would think that there might be three possible problems, other than vacuum leaks.:

Not enough air

not enough fuel

timing off spec.

The air problem could be fixed by tightening up the throttle cable adjustment. This is not really a proper fix but it might lead you in the right direction

Not enough fuel might mean a needed larger idle jet. I know you went up in size but you might need to go further. Also, have you checked the float level in the carb? If the fuel level is too low it will effect the idle.

Have you checked the timing?

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I am thinking the clutch is either sticking engaged or engageing too soon or there is no oil in the gearbox. You could try screwing the clutch adjusters in some after examining the whole clutch asembly for issues

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On re-reading I think The Silver One may know better

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alright here is the other thing. It really does not like running without the choke on. I'm up to a 52 idle jet and still it likes it better choked out. I know that means I need more fuel but that seems to be getting crazy big on the idle jet.

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also, what do you mean by checking the float level in the carb? Can that be adjusted?

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PPPPPSSSS. Checking the timing now too.

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Yeah shouldnt the wheel not spin when youre up on the stand?

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ok, timing is fine. On double check he bike won't even idle without the choke on...

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FYI, according to "2 stroke performance tuning" idling requires a 1:8 to 1:10 fuel to air ratio, while normal running requires a 1:14 to 1:16.

So maybe feel free to get a little more rich there. Also, if its piston port, it will naturally have a relatively poor idle.

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unless its ported all to hell, its gotta be an air leak.

whats your mani setup like?

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the porting isn't that crazy at all. when you say "mani" are you referring to the intake manifold? If so I am running a crazy custom intake made by Nate squid that I bought off Creature Graham. I have some suspicion this thing is causing me problems. The other thing that seems fishy to me is the rubber coupler that connects the carb to intake, it just doesn't seem that tight to me on the carb side, although when I spray carb cleaner on there I get nothing. The hose clamp is tightened all the way down on that fucker.

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Hey Craigers, did you put liquid gasket on every joining surface? I know you found an air leak last time, but maybe you have a subtle one. Toss some liquid gasket between the intake and the cylinder, the intake and the coupler, and the coupler and the carb. Good luck dude.

You are probably lean in the idle, but rather than getting a bigger idle jet just yet, might as well try the gasket trick.

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brennan, i called you this morning. I also just covered everything in liquid gasket.

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Craig, my phone is MIA. I send my apologies.

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i've read that people have 55idle jets on their 65cc metras...

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ok, liquid gasket on everything. intake to cylinder, check. intake to rubber coupler, check. rubber coupler to carb, check. none of this made a difference, actually after fucking with it all day it won't idle period. It will start and will keep running if given gas but no idle on it's own, on or off the kickstand. So what now outside of junking the thing? Blown seal? Would it even start and run with something like that? Thats the weird thing, if you can get it up beyond an idle the thing runs great. ugh.

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try messing with the idle/pilot jet....go bigger if it gets worse go smaller.....i read that people are using 55idle jets on the 65metra's and it's been going great for them...

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read elliots post on tuning the phbg carbs.... <a href="http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/discuss/read.php?f=7&i=92973&t=92729">here's the post</a>

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