4stroking with right timing and jetting (video)

umm wtf. so i just put this motor together. everything is new so it could be any part thats got a problem.....

as you can see in the vid it sounds like 4 stroking right? i have tried jetting from 80-96 (19mm phbg) and while some feel a little better they all do this. the weirdest part is the bike runs BETTER with the choke on. not a lot but its noticeable. i have internal rotor ignition the honda 50 kind. and im sure that the timing is spot on.

it seems to only take major effect in certain powerbands. bottom end is ok not great but ok. low mid is great, mid is fucked, mid mid high is kinda ok and WOT is totally fucked.

i have tried a couple different settings, with air filter of and on, adjusted the mixture screw to no avail. This is on a 50cc reedvalve athena kit. i checked for leaks, well kinda. i used WD40. i always use carb cleaner but i figured it was similar enough. anyway no leaks. i used gasket sealant everywhere.

ok check the vid. any thoughts?

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just a couple thoughts. something with the reeds? they arent broken i checked that. maybe my clutch is overtightened? fuck i dont know. i just need a second opinion im at a loss.

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Have you adjusted the needle settings (moved the needle clip up/down)?

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yeah, its on the second to most lean clip. trying a diufferent coil right now

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hmm ok so i just tried 2 different coils. madass 50 coil and a puch coil. both didnt change anything. however i did notice i have very weak spark. i need to be pushing the bike atbout 3-4 mph before she will even begin to spark. i held the spark plug in my hand and it didnt fuck me up. i felt it, and it was uncomfortable. but it felt like a normal shitty old ped. it didnt feel like my mb5 or my korado with cdi. those fucking hurt.

i have adjusted the gap between the rotor and the pickup and the coil. nothing seems to do much. maybe i need to sand the fuck out of the pickup and coil? its wierd cause i have talked to people who had no problem with this stuff right out of the box.

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How about something simple like the high tension lead? It would be a hassle but you could put stk ignition on for trial/ error. If you didn't say the spark was bad I would ask whether the crank was not stuffed

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this is probably not your problem, but what kind of spark plug wire are you using? stuff from an auto parts store or small engine shop? You cant use graphite core on a moped, not enough juice from the coil. needs to be solid core.

TaylorN.

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never stuffed a crank before. what do you mean by high tension lead? the wire coming off the coil on the rotor?

i have the sensors basically touching the rotor and i have sanded them down and its the same result. do you think that maybe the coil or the sensor could be grounding out somehow?

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The thickness of an index card shoved into the air gap and then tighten the screws down makes for a minimal air gap. The chinese capacitor could be faulty but I don't want to put to many variables into this. High tension lead is just a spark plug wire. Extension cord wire works good

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well i could try a spark plug wire from a moped, but this stuff looks just the same. braided brass wire on the inside. thx for the ideas though guys please keep them coming.

maybe the pickup is grounding out somehow? if the lead was sautered on poorly that could happen couldnt it?

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man, sounds like ignition to me, just breaking up real bad. i think it would be dam near impossible to 4 stroke the whole way thru the rpm range, even if it was too rich/lean it would HAVE to run decent at some point in the throttle opening (0-1/4, 1/4-1/2....) how close is your coil to the CDI? i have heard/ read about too much magnetic interference fucking them up. try to move the coil as far away as possible, or throw points back in just to confirm. either way i put 20.00 on an ignition problem. piston in the right way? i was in a rush once and just before i bolted the head on, the arrow was in the wrong direction. just a thought.....

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hehe yeah, the piston is in the right way. i did that once too. my cdi box is way the hell far away from my coil. like 2 feet.

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It sounds electrical to me, but if it is a fuel problem, check your float level. Too much fuel in the bowl can cause you to run rich!

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that is totally different than my noise :)

i think i'll try to vid mine too....

i had weirdness from my damn horn grounding on certain bumps and turns....

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sooooo how do i figure out where the proble,m is? i can buy a multimeter, would that help? i gotta get sthis problem solved fast guys.

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throw your internal coil stator plate on it breifly to check. it doesnt need any external connections to run so it should be really quick to do.

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yeah thats the backup plan, only i have already lightened my clutch and main gear in anticipation of internal rotor ignition, would be a HUGE shame to waste this setup.

i just bought a multimeter, going to read up on how to use it to check if any parts are malfunctioning.

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hmmm testing the main coil on the stator. the black from the multimetere is connected to ground, and the red from multimeter is connected to the lead coming off the coil. i cant get a reading. the multimeter is jumping all over the place then eventually hitting OF which means max voltage i think. i should be getting a solid 12v reading right?

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dude ur condensor is shot, well thats if u are running points.

hmm cdi = not working, try a different cdi box. Are you using a cdi coil, cuz the cdi on mobys will not run w/o the correct coil.

throw them points back on and see if u still have the same prob just to make sure its electrical

BTW i'm going to blast ur 50cc w/my 50cc

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it seems like something is wrong with that cdi. That four stroking sounds really weird.

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dude, it should talk you 10 minutes max to swap that stator plate in for a test. fuck a multimeter.

bike runs properly = your cdi is fucked.

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harold i will bring 2 functiong non restricted boxes and a ht coil to the rally if u want to give the cdi another shot down there.

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I agree that it's electrical.

Since it's working at all, I would assume the pickup and sensor are fine. Try a different cdi box (borrow one from somebody in town?), or check it with points back on like elliot said.

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ok im just gonna throw the normal puch ingition back on. and bring all my shit to the rally. elliot that would be awesome if you could bring that. it would be such a shame to have to run a 5 lbs magnet when i can run a 1/3 lb magnet.

and yeah you will dust me. this bike wont reach its true potential until i can get the HPI and jolly moto on it. then im gonna dust you bitch.

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well once i put normal ignition on, turns out it is really lean. i have a 96 in there and its still too lean. i have maybe a MINOR leak. did carb cleaner test and i was able to change rpms slightly but not kill the bike. soo the 4 stroking of the bad cdi box must have caused a normal plug reading with the 80-90 range in it. i dont have anything biger than a 96 so i have started drilling jets out. fuck this bike is soo not gonna be good enough for the rally. FUCK 50cc and their stupid dutch fucking asses. i ordered a hpi like 5 months ago now? fucking dutch fuck fucks. sorry im really pissed right now.

doesnt 96 seem huge too? this is only 50ccs, yes it has massive exhaust and transfers but really? 96+? seems crazy.

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check your ass gasket thats what it was last time. one week to LA man whoo I'm gonna get ur ass wasted.

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usually electronics either work or not.. id be more tempted to think its a wiring problem.. but yet im not sure so just do what the others said.

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you know my bike did that till I switched too a fatter neadle Give it a shot. I'd sat it was the condencer but you dont have one.

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i don't need my hpi want your problems to dissapear? haven't used it very much looks new, works perfect.

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FYI harold, im running a 112 jet on my 50 kit with a 21 carb, its a bit rich so i may drop to 110, just to give u a ballpark.

yeah man i will def. bring that stuff 4 u.

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