review: Parmakit Av7 70cc kit

elliot of the resistance /

Ok so i installed one of these babys a few days ago on a red 50v. and i have to say I like it alot but don't love it.

So the stats are; Parmakit 70cc, for the AV7 usa motobecane motors, this kit was priced at around $150 from treats, but i am sure its just an old warehouse stock that was sold, there is rumor of a large batch being available again in the future however.

this kit comes with most gaskets and no hardware, the piston is a 2 ring design (plus for reliability), the overall size is a bit larger than a sock cylinder and won't turn any heads (till u blast them). the cylinder is all aluminum with a nickel chromed bore that comes crosshatched and is a 4 port design, with a large intake, massive exhaust, and large split transfers, alas there are no boost ports on this baby. All the ports are nicely rounded (even tho they look rough) but not chamfered like malossi likes to do on their kits. the transfers are large and look almost like av10 transfers.

Installation started off with me having to make my own base gasket since the one they supply is for an av10 motor and was not going to work at all. the second mod i had to do was remove the mount on the bottom end of the av7 for the variator watercover (that thing one uses or ever has on thier bike) with it in place the parmakit can fully sit into the bottom end.

removing this piece means removing the variator as well, so a short cut method would be to just dremil it down so the kit can fit.

The dual rings were also very tricky, they are big thick and brittle a forceful move here will surely result in a broken ring (already know someone who did this) so for u guys who have trouble with rings, its time to pull out all tricks or a an extra set of hands, don't say i didn't warn you.

With everything on i opped to not use the head gasket that came with the kit, it did not look up to snuff so i ran it gasketless on the top.

the setup:

av7 on a 50v

70cc parmakit with portmatched bottomend

1977's high comp head (av10 head)

15:15 dellorto with a 90 jet and unifilter

shorty 15mm intake

leovinci pipe

malossi variplus running middle weightset

the performance is quite good, however i'm having issues with the leo pipe pulling the motor in odd ways and would rather the setup using a doppler or ninga.

there is lowend bog that might be tuneable once the kit is broken in. but after the variplus hits and the pipe hits its all fun. top speed thus far is in the mid 40's and with a larger carb and or more tuning it should go faster. the parma kit really pulls well with the leo pipe the powerband is a good match (again except for off the line pop). the variplus opens fully really fast with the middle weight set, so i think the next lighter setting would be perfect. Overall it performs well but not quite as well as I would like.

I said b4 i like it but don't love it. the off the line lag is not fun, and may be due to the exsessivly large exhaust port, i think the setup would benefit with a 19mm or larger PHBG carb with an idle and progression cuicuit. tuning an SHA with a 90 main means its not going to be too happy at idle. I'm also curious as to the performance with another pipe, the leo seems to buck the motor at low rpms, i have tried mounting it several different ways but it's just not liking it.

For now i'm going to stick with the malossi 62 kit on my av7, but i think the parma has alot of potential, the acceleration of the parma is much better but i don't think it can wind out rpms as high, its just a little too much effort for a guy who has fallen to the dark side of mobys... AV10>AV7

peace

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🇮🇹💦 Of the Loin /

nice review dude.

its similar to ben eberle's setup i helped him with on saturday.

hes rocking a 2 ball variator so we'll see if that works any differently

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elliot of the resistance /

shit the 1st pic should be this

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With an exhaust port that tall I think you'll find a Doppler or Bidalot pipe is the way to go. The transfer timing may be an issues, but it didn't look to off from the AV10 Malossi kits.

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nice review dude.

so are you still breaking in? let me know how you end up with jetting and performance w/ that 15 dellorto... i'll be running the same carb. why not the lightest weight set on the vario? no chamfer on the ports... did you do anything about that or just leave be?

thanks for puttin this info out there man, does everyone a service.

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elliot of the resistance /

would switch the vario weights but my circlip tool is busted, so i can't easily get in there, also the porting is rounded off enough.

the timing is off some bret is right, the piston at BDC is still slightly higher than the exhuast and transfer ports, rather than lose compression and add a base gasket the best solution would be file some off the piston crown in those areas in my opinion.

i did not do this on this setup.

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hey for pulling circlups, commandeer some of these from your local hospital:

get poison-yourself-drunk one night and get admitted to the hospital. when you wake up in the morning smooze a cute nurse into giving you two pairs. theyre thin enough to bend one pair's tips inwards and one pair's outwards. They are narrower than any circlip tool ive seen. and cheaper.

review: Parmakit Av7 70cc kit

your reviews are great........always detailed and right to the point.

you might wanna work on your gasket making skills...lol

Mike

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Yeah, thanks Elliot for the great review.

It's absolutely KILLING me that I don't have tires for the orange 40T. Spankin' new enameled black mags are just sitting in my studio waiting for some sneakers.

I think I found a way around the pipe issue. Maity is right...that is EXACTLY the same setup I'm going to be running. I ended up making a fabricated bolt for the exhaust on the lower end which holds it out a little further. Basically, it swings a little better. Before this weekend, the engine was unvariated.....but Maity hooked it UP!

So, I'll have to write another review when I'm running. Yeah...2 ball variator could be good. And I'm a lightweight.....tip the scales are 145lbs could = fast.

We'll see.

Thanks again, man. This is what the MA page is all about.

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Yea I was running the medium weights and thought the same thing about how it took off slow with my doppler pipe, So when I put the clutch on my av10 I put the lightest weights in. Unfortunately there has been a bunch of problems putting the damn thing together so I can't say how it will preform.

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problems reassembling the variplus and variator

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🇮🇹💦 Of the Loin /

you are gonna most likely want some heavier weights

with a 70cc kit i used the heavier side of weights on my av10 tom. Granted its an er3, but its more in an interest of keeping your kit out of the high rpm's so that it wont sieze.

find the sweet spot where there is little to no variator lag when it drops into the engine rpms

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No problems with everyting imaginable hitting something else when the dang thing variates. Mait, I am running that 50cc bidalot right now and was going for high rpm 50cc glory thats why I put the light weights in it.

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🇮🇹💦 Of the Loin /

you want the kit to do the high rpm's though. If you make the weights too light its not gonna throw em out and you'll never break the variator.

i would say try the second heaviest set of weights. The reasoning is that the bidalot can get up into high rpm's quick. If you feel any lag when the variator opens, lighten the weights up a bit. until there is little to no lag.

Although in LA I dont know how stop and go itll be. If its alot of just straight runs probably dont worry

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When i was running my 50cc kit i was using a total of 12.6 grams of weight, now I am using 21g with my Malossi water cooled kit. 50cc kits are better for top end, 70cc kits are better for midrange.

I know it seems like the bigger engine would just go faster, but without a multiple gear transmission the wider power range of a 50cc kit just gets you going faster.

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Hopefully I will get all the kinks worked out today. It seems like the ideal way for the variator to operate is to open all the way right before you wind out at the top that way youo have the lowest gearing as long as possible. I'll experiment arround for sure with the weights. It sure would be nive to be able to use my er3 but I like to idle and with no decomp my bike is a bear to start.

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I just don't know if a 16mm carb is working out on my bike....I'm going to try and put a 19mm carb on tomorrow and see if I get some improvement on the take off, which is not real great, even with lighter weights. I might down jet from a 91 also. Oh, here's what I'm running:

70cc parma kit

variplus with 3 medium weights and 3 light weights.

Ninja G3.

straight intake

16mm dellorto carb

I had a 32 sprocket that just killed it's performance, so I went back to the original sprocket (what is it 52?). As bret said, so far this thing has great power in the midrange, but has a slow take off, and doesn't seam to rev as high as my 62 malossi.

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62 malossi 4 me and the rat.

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🇮🇹💦 Of the Loin /

on the 70 proma which has stock portmap (LAME) i get awesome midrange.

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Dude, I just put that 19mm carb on and it made quite a bit of difference. Huge difference actually. Now I just have to tune....

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Rosa is gonna blast you fools!

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how good would this kit be for us less advanced Dunce cap wearers?

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I broke a ring on my 62 malossi, and the parma kits aren't available.

I'm dying!!

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hey tiki man, im a less advanced dunce cap wearer, so i'll let you know! just need some time to install.

that sucks eric, are there still rings available?

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ok, thanks.

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hey allen! i'm going to be running this kit with a 16 dellorto. how much of a performance difference do you get with he 19? you said it was a big difference. please explain. gracias

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Baically, with the 16 (tried 88-94 jets) I was bogging quite a bit and had to really rev it to get it in it's power band. And even then, it was not performing at the low end at all and I really had a hard time getting up hills they way I wanted to. I don't think the carb was taking advantage of the kit, cause the top out was pretty lame and would take forever to get there.

Soon as I put on the 19mm carb with the 95 jet, bingo, I was blasting.

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Nn no no, don't take material from the top of the piston.

Add the extra gasket to lift it up. That is going to improve the exhaust timing anyway, which will give you more revs. It will more than make up for the lower compression. If you want the compression back skim the head.

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lol. Harbor Freight and Tools has the circlip pliers with three interchangable heads and squeeze to open or squeeze to close option for $1.99. I just bought one to replace the driven pulley on a V50. I couldnm't get a new driven pulley anywhere so I drilled a hole though it and put a nut and bolt through it to hold the M - V sprocket grabber into the M position. The is no bicycle mode now, but who needs that anyway.

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If you get a real variator where both pulleys open and close then the 70cc is much much better. 80mph is possible with good front and rear pullies and a 100cc kit. See Mobylette turks on youtube. Contrary to what some have said about Moby Turks, it's not all down to gearing, you have to have the power to pull the gearing.

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