I was wondering if I should get the choke lever carb or the cable choke. I know the difference but is it a hard installation ? I am buying a Dellorto 15/15. Does the stock choke cable have to be trimmed or modified or is it straight forward. Im just looking for an easy install and tips. thanks
I have a 16.16 lever choke and it went right on. It is one less cable that will break at an incontinent time plus the word it that the cable ones don't fully "un-choke".
yeah unchoking was one thing i was afriad of after install. so a 16/16 on your moby... nice. what else do you have on it and how much of a difference did it make.. thanks
i have the cable choke type. its true, it doesnt open back up fully. but im gonna take a dremel to it and make it work. I think choke is very useful... tom mentions one less cable that you have to deal with when it breaks, and he's right. but what if your airbox falls off, gets damage, shatters, air leak etc etc? Then you can easily modulate your choke and hopefully get yourself home. Lever chokes have come thru in a pinch for me bunches of times.
I have a varioplus and a doppler pipe as well as an over ported cylinder. The first thing I did was the carb with the short intake. It ran, Idled and started way better as well as getting maybe 3 mph.
The next thing I did was get the varioplus plate with weights which I have to say was the best upgrade I have for the money, you can just take a ball out variator and get similar results.
Then I got the pipe and unless you are getting a kit it is pretty much a waste of money unless you get a kit.
Lastly I ported the cylinder which is what gave me the most performance gains but I ported the intake too much and now my low end isn't too great but I'm working on that right now.
o yeah I am getting a kit, im hoping to make the kit, sim chrome pipe, and 15/15 or 16/16 carb work and haul a lil more ass. thanks for the imput
That is actually a real good point about the cable I have actually seen someone do that before and they didn't have to push their ped home.
a choke cable is a spare throttle cable. One more spare to get you home.
didnt think about the spare throttle thing. good call.
Plus, if youre gonna go click choke and have sidecovers (dunno if you do or not), you may as well not have a choke at all. moby isnt designed for click choke llorto so there'd be no access w/ sidecovers. even w/o, if youre using the short intake itd be a reach.
Joe
From what I have heard the sim pipe is only as good as the stock one you might not want to pick it up.
personally i run the click choke, theres no reason for me to have that extra cable, just a pain for me. though i can see the advantages of having a cable choke, its just not for me.
wow i never thought of it as another throttle, and yeah i do have on my side covers and it will be on a shorty, so i guess the cable would be wise, i never messed with the throttle cable on a carb, is it a hard job ?
It is a fairly simple process which you could do in about 10-20 min go for it.
ok cool thanks
its self explanitory. but the choke on the llorto cable types are wierd. you will probably have to dremel a bit to make it work. i know im gonna have to.
Also if you want the carb to open all the way you are supposed to dremmel out the slide in the throttle assembley but mine opens all the way without it so check first.
Ok so on the dellorto i might have to dremel the throttle slide ? so i have to be able to open up both the throttle and choke slides all the way right ?
woah i hadnt heard about touching the throttle slide!
the choke plate definitely needs to be touched up on mine though. it slides into place but then doesnt go back fully\. i figure i can clean it up make sure there are no snags or burrs and whatnot. i dont know if this is a regularity but its certainly the case on mine, but shouldnt be more than a 20 minute job. Savvy?
Woah indeed let me clarify I meant the part on the handlebars not the throttle slide, the stock setup doesn't let the slide open all the way.
ah gotcha. yea that makes sense. dont expect the stock gurtner cable length and tensioning to work perfectly. I'd just get a new cable altogether, but you will need to make adjustments at least.
this is really all making it sound more complicated than it is. its really not at all. when i did this conversion i did very little reading or research. bought the carb, got it in the mail. bolted it on and adjusted cables as necessary. really not hard to do at all.
yeah thats exactly what i was thinking, it really doesnt seem that hard just little annoying stuff
totally worth it too. i went from pedaling around the block to get started to pushing it to get started. i love it. BTW, for a 15.15 SHA, 58ish jet is pretty much the accepted standard for the moby dellorto conversion, w/ the stock llorto airbox. Some go a little lower, 56 is the lowest ive been and ive heard as low as 54 (seems a bit low to me). I never finished tuning just right with a "performance" air filter cause it was getting to be winter, but i'd say around a 62 would be right on the money.
so a 15:15 carb with around a 62 ish jet, now is that stock exhaust, I might take a gamble on the sim chrome one from 1977mopeds.com. im still deciding on the bbk because Im afraid that it will seize on me and totally ruin it
W/ stock exhaust:
Dellorto 15.15 SHA
stock airbox = 58ish
"performance" filter = 62ish
Those are gonna vary a bit from bike to bike but thats a good place to start.
From what i hear, dont waste yer money on the sim chrome. Its how much, 70-80 bucks? Just save that and put it up towards getting a G3 or leovince from quarterkick or the like. Or, shit, thats enough $ to get a varioplus variator from treats next time he has em. To me the sim chrome just seems like a waste of time and $.
For my "performance" filter i messed around with pantyhose, and screen window repar mesh. It does make a difference. Good luck
-Steve
FYI, Treats has the Varioplus on the website now. Those that have installed it say it's one of the best upgrades you can do.
So 58ish on a stock pipe, now if i decide to buy my big bore kit, which I might because I just got a nice paycheck, I would keep my stock pipe, with a 15/15 and maybe jet it in the 70's during break in ?
not exactly my area of expertise. What i said ^^ holds true for stock, but i havent kitted my moby (yet) so i cant say. someone who knows more than i do should be able to give you an idea.
i got the airsal kit, 15.15. stock exhaust and the 15 mm intake and i broke it in with a 72 jet and running a mineral mix at 32:1. after the first tank i went down to the 70 jet and half way through i went to the 68. ( i found that the cap with no filter worked just right) it's finally broke in so next tankof fuel will be 40:1 of synthetic and high grade. I went so fast about an hour ago the bulbs in the speedo blew (they got real bright, then pop!) hahaha. and the speedo went also after being pegged at 35 for too long.
haha niiice dude. what size is that airsal..70cc? whered you get it? mopedshop a while ago?
im gettin a 70cc kit soon myself. Im gonna have a very similar setup.. i think im gonna start jetting a little higher just to see how it goes. good info though.
gabriel, i was thinking of staying stock, seeing what you just posted, im going balls to the wall just like you. thats amazing
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