god damn bendy intake

Ok... all in the pusuit of speed... bought a great running B type moby (25 mph) that originally did 25ish with my fat A$$ on it. Seduced by it's french smoothness and solid ride i decided to make it my sport touring mount. So I started by at least wanting to go A spec speeds (low 30s right?) Full tune up: 27mph, full synthetic oil, new plug and timing: 28mph, install dellorto 15/15 with a 68 jet: back to 25mph, ok, rejet to a 56 with air filter: 31mph! sweet! this is still running on the original shorty intake (10mm). So, ok i am there... My friend runs a A type on a dellorto with the 68... 35mph solid! me wants!!! so i scope the difference... same bike, mine is even in better condition and tune... but what is that?! look at that curving intake, is like a bulging muscle... is got to be that! so i get one, and looking at the intake porthole and base, decide to port and polish as best as i can. It looks good, better than i thought. I install the bendy and set it up on the dellorto with the 56 jet... crap... 22mph!!! what gives? i change jets: 68... horrible low end, 20mph tops, try an in between 62 (from a pacco carb... they work, right???) absolute crap, 21mph... back on the 56... bach to 24, 25mph. I have tried every thing on the toolbox but the zippo... it idles ok, but when i crack it open, it seems like is going to rip my arms out of their sockets, then immediately bogs down and then picks up real slow... i am out of ideas, anybody wants to take a crack at it???

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doing all those carb changes and you're doing nothing to the exhaust? The more air you take in the more air needs to leave.

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that is not true. leave your exhaust alone. Whatever problem you are having is probably not with the carb. Check you spark and belt and such.

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So your saying the more in.... I would say you need to let more out.. when you let more in.. Its just common thinking.

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Commonly wrong in regards to Motobecanes.

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what are moby's exempt from this?

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Because their exhausts aren't restrictive like other bikes; they run fine as is even on kits.

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well maybe his exhaust is clogged or something then.

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you should be running that shorty 15mm intake with the delorto instead. the bendy intake makes the float act all weird when the motor variates.

i just finaly got my moby running on this setup. 34mph with zero port work.

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i'll try to find that shorty 15... for the moment, wht jet are you using Vic? oh, good spark, good tension on belt and a relatively clean muffler. i still think is carburation...

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aaaaah

single unedited paragraph hurts the eyes

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air leak? dellorto wierdness? french bikes are finnicky, not for the faint of heart methinks.

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I am a jet driller. I have no idea the exact number, but I would estimate it to be in the 60's

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put the shorty back on....fuck a bendy intake

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clogged exhaust/ports?

is it possible he fucked up his port job? not criticizing your work, but hey it can happen if you cut the wrong places.

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Jerry Franek /

"Because their exhausts aren

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i ran my moby with the bendy intake and a $15 chinese carb and it did 35 easy

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I got it to run ok... on the 56 with bendy. i think it was a leak between the carb and the intake. we are back to 28mph. but what i noticed is that the slide does not open fully. i will dremel out the stop out of the throttle control and see what happens. thanks for the info guys. i will get a 58 and 60 and see if it works better, vic. is anyone running a fuel filter on their bikes? are there fuel filters on the original design? and about the paragraph... i am here like most of us for tech support, and not for literary or grammatical appreciation. sorry if it offended anyone.

ps. the porting was done to the intake itself. the casting is of poor quality so smothing it out will reduce turbulence in the intake tract.

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the throttle slide doesnt open up fully? before you go hacking away just make sure your cable is tensioned properly.

fuel filters are key. most carbs have them built in, but they are decent at best. they usually consist of tiny pieces of mesh wirejust after the fuel inlet. definitely install a fuel filter, even though i dont think that is what your problem is here.

oh gotcha, the porting and cleanup was done to the intake manfold itself. yea, no harm done there i would assume.

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most petcocks have fuel filter/screen's built into them.

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On intakes, the conventional wisdom is that rougher is better than smooth. I would be looking at the port map of your cylinder as it compare's to the map of the cylinder on your friends faster bike.

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I did get a new fuel line and a new fuel filter, just to be sure. now i did look at the carb slide, and it was stopping at about 80% of the carb barrel (looking from the airfilter side) and the cable had good tension and it was running as far as it would go. So i took the throttle assembly apart and noticed that the screw that stops the rotation touched the end of the slide, but the diagonal peg stopped about 4 mm away from the diagonal cut's end. so i guess if i dremel out the straight cut about the same distance i can get it to open fully. I took a small screwdriver and while holding the throttle open i lifted the slide so i know it can go higher...

ps: i like the way it sounds, and it idles so much smoother.

by the way, 50:1 on full synthetic is ok, right? 3oz per gallon?

thanks

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like I said i'd refrain from using the dremel. think about it, assuming your bike is using all original equipment, at least in the carb, and throttle assy, and nothing has been damaged, there should be no reason to have to modify anything.

if you see something that has clearly been damaged/misplaced, then go ahead and use the dremel. but before you do that just exhaust all your options. When you say "good tension"... i'd say tighten more. that will get your throttle slide up higher, all the way open. granted it wont drop as low, but then it may drop just enough. try everything before you modify. also i dont know if youre doing this or not, but generally you can leave your carb off as you make adjustments to your throttle. that way its easier to see in ane make sure all is good. take it off the manifold, and make sure you keep tension on the housing and you can leave it off as you troubleshoot. saves time.

the reason im beating this to death is that more than once i've seen something that I thought was defective, or didnt fit right or something. So i take the dremel to it, jerry rig it, and then 2 days later I find out what was REALLY wrong with it. By now I've permanently destroyed or disfigured whatever the part was and made it so it is no longer compatible with its intended assembly. very frustrating.

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As someone else said, on the Supply side the roughness of the intake does create turbulence, which is desirable since it improves fuel/air mixture.

I have a stock Moby with a 14.12 Dellorto and it does 30-35 easy.

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i looked at the wiki article about modifying the throttle assembly. Steve, i will take your advice and definitely check that the tension is correct. yet it said that is common to have this problem since the old carb only needs 13 mm of cable to fully open while the 15/15 needs about 16mm. it makes sense, it is in fact 3 mm more in diameter. guys, also remember this started as a B spec moped.bert, was your a B spec too? do you hve 35 solid mph?

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Are you POSITIVE the 'bendy' intake you have is 14mm in diameter? They made two sorts of bendy intakes, one was 9mm in diameter and the other was 14mm.

How does the new intake match the cylinder compared to the shorty intake?

When I swapped out my stock shorty intake on my B speed cylinder with the chromed 15mm intake on quarterkick.com, I got absolutely no performance increase as my original intake matched the cylinder perfectly whereas the new intake had a significantly larger port for the cylinder and thus all that extra space for the flow of fuel mix was waisted since it just hit a dead.

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large bendy is doubfully the problem, swap back and find out for sure, eliminate the variables.

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I like this thread. :)

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Gabe, I'm not sure what spec I have - how can I tell?

the top of my cylinder has a J stamped on it though. I assume that is just the matching of the psiton to the jug.

I haven't GPS'd the speed, but just using the Speedo it goes over 30 on the flat.

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Jerry Franek /

Well, geez whiz, Bret, then why all the talk about de-carbonizing the muffler? I do not doubt your experience and knowledge, but you're saying I can go from a gunked up muffler to no muffler at all and notice no difference in performance--just loud as hell?

Wow.

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