Custom Made Sprockets

HI All,

Been doing quite a bit of reading here because I love pretty much anything that has to do with modifying things for better performance. Alot of the information here is applicable to my other interest of motorized bicycles...I was just wondering if you all regularly have the need to change out sprockets (either on the engine itself or on the rear wheel) and have had a difficult time finding sprockets in the size or teeth range that you need....If so I believe we as a company can help.

King's Sale's & Service can make most any size engine drive sprocket or rear wheel sprocket. The products are all custom machined out or aerospace grade 7075 aluminum heat treated to T651 standards complete with lightening holes. We are currently mentioned in and are a sponsor of the site "motoredbikes.com" Check us out and let us know if we can help.

Thanks and ride safe.

Andrew

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there is a BIG demand for sach front and rear sprockets.

i would take one in a munute

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HI,

Thanks for the reply and do check my pics and info on the other site...I am not very computer literate and I am currently trying to get a web page going....Other than the mention and sponsorship on the other site I am also working on something for MySpace....I am currently downloading pics off my camera and will post a few if I am able to (it'll show a couple of the sprockets we machine for the standard 9 hole mounts that the motorized bikes use)

I'll also post a pic of my "Super Cycle"....What I call a mountain bike adapted to a 70 CC engine with a tuned pipe (I learned about the Bi Turbo on this site but had to custom fab the header pipe (not pretty but works....If do a production run for the bikes I would have a company in California custom manufacture the header pipes).

I realize that there are way more variations of sprockets for mopeds and scooters than there are for the motorized bikes but once we get

some samples from the various popular brands we can supply all the needed custom sized sprockets.

Thanks for reading and replying and I will try to upload the pics when they come off the camera.

Andrew

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Hmmm...only 1 pic per post I guess...I 'll post a cople more...

Andrew

This is a pic of our 40 T rear sprocket made for the 9 hole bicycle

mount for motorized bikes (this the front view...dark circle is the "step up" so the sprocket can be flipped over to alter the sprockets relationship to the rear wheel to aid in chainline alignment...

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Here is a my pic of my "Super Cycle".....I learned about the Biturbo on this site....Header pipe was home made....production piece would be wayyyy nicer!

Engine is 70CC, Rear sprocket is 36T...Weight is about 55 lbs...Rides FASSSSST ;-O

Andrew

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I would take a 20tooth front sprocket for PUCH. Currently only custom made, from two sprockets. A solid , balanced, one piece sprocket would go over great for a lot of us. I can only imagine the speed it will deliver. I'll be a test pilot/subject!!. Thanks for the offer! Brent

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Ha, I saw your banner and post on motoredbikes.com and was thinking about posting it here, cool.

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Hi Brent,

Would love to make you up one but as I mentioned earlier, I would 'need a sample to go off of....If you Email me maybe we could set something up.....my Email is "andyinchville@earthlink.net"

PLEASE be sure to put in the subject section something refering to "Custom Sprockets" so it won't be accidentally deleted as spam.

Andrew

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You got it, I will put together something tonite or in the am, and send it your way! Too Cool! Thanks Brent

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hmmmmm.... I think my friend louis could use something, since his rear wheel on his sachs isn't made to come off, maybe you could fab something...

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Hi Ethan an all,

Wow....it is good that there is interest in this project (custom sprockets)....

In order to make the sprockets I would either need a good sprocket to take measurements off of or a set of drawings with all the dimensions... ideally down to the thousandth of an inch....has to have all the dimensions...hole diameters, center to center dimensions, chain type (to determine to th pitch) etc......For most people it would be easier to send a sprocket in for us to measure but be sure it is not too mangle up....remember the dimensions we get off the sample sprocket is what we would use for the mounting pattern for the custom made one....Once we build up a database of various sprockets we can the machine others of the same brand/type without having to have another sample sent in....for the motored bikes we work with there are only about 4 standard patterns to use but with Mopeds there are many more popular brands and many more patterns...

I've had people to try to take pencil rubbings (put the sprocket under white paper and lightly run the pencil led on the paper over it to get a graphite rubbing image of the sprocket)of a sprocket and fax or send it in but that is not accurate enough

unfortunately.

I will (early next week) see if I can contact some of the main moped manufacturers to see if they will send us their sprocket specs....of course no guarantee they can or will especially on older models.

Andrew

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i could deff use a custom rear sprocket and maby even a pulley if u can do that sort of thing, and a tip on your nice moped, the biturbo is doing nothing to add to your performance or if something, not very much, the header is way too long try making it a nice one sweeping motion and have it point backward, although you did do a nice job on the overall bike

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I would be interested in a custom puch sprocket if it is within my price range (probably not...) I have a puch sprocket I could send if I am able to buy one. Ite biturbo isn't really doing much on your bike. The header is way too long and pipe fittings create too much turbulance for the exhaust gasses. The 90 degree fittings are the worst part of the system. If you could fab a header out of steel tubing with a conduit bender, you would be better off.

Eric

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Thanks for the comments on the bike....I tried the method you mentioned....having the pipe aimed to the back of the bike (looked pretty racy too but would have needed more fastening hardware / mounts to attach the unit to the bike...also, would have stuck back pretty far... but clearance issues ultimately prevented me from doing this (either the header pipe of the Bi Turbo unit itself would hit the cranks and prevent the bike from being pedaled....plus i had to find a mounting method that would work with nearly all bicycles should I market begin to manufacture this pipe set up to the motorized biking people (of course the actual production would have a nicer header made)....The longer header was used to lower the RPM which the power band comes on (my reading hear indicated the bi turbo is a mid/top end pipe...I had to lower the "kick in" rpm for our low revving....bike engines) and the engine goes "on the pipe"....The little 70 only like to go to about 5900 - 6000 RPM Max and even that feels a little fast for it...bike motors aren't as hi revving at all.....believe it or not I wanted to try to even make a longer header but it is close to optimal now....To make it longer, I would have to shorten the silencer which would lead to additional costs....probably not worth it for the little to be gained...I thought about looping the pipe too but haven't done that yet...I may try experimenting with some expansion chambers designed for the scooter people after awhile though.

Thanks for your comments!

Andrew

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HI ,

I am guessing the prices would be similar to the prices we charge for the motorized bikes sprockets on "motoredbikes.com"...

Haven't really been around a lot of mopeds to know for sure though....The motorized bikes run I think a 415 sized chain.

Andrew

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O.o too costly I would go to 1977 mopeds and buy one for $23 before I pay that much. sorry, but I don't think you are going to sell many because of the cost of labor and the fact that moped riders in general are cheap and spend as little as possible. Afterall, most moped riders have mopeds because of their cheap initial cost and their ability to get 150mpg. I am cheap and proud of it.

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I would pay the $42.00 for a un-obtainable sprocket, that only one other person that I know of, has. Not all moped-ers, are cheap. Especially the ones that want their project, to be as close to their perfection, as possible. Maybe it's just me, but, I doubt it. Brent

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I think fifty would be very reasonable, but i have my doubts about durability. it takes about 5000 miles for a moped chain to wear a steel sprocket down to the point you probably shouldnt use it anymore. even quicker if the chain is too loose/tight, not lubed, etc. What process are you using for these? I assume laser cutting. Is the material heat treated before or after it is cut? Are the teeth beveled, or does it come straight out of the cutter? Would you be able to cut them in any other material? Could you produce a design i sent you using AutoCAD?

This is very cool, I think if you have some design templates laid out in autocad for the different hubs, and just add teeth to the array and redraw, you might really have something. Keep us posted.

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I'd buy one, if it were perfect. No shims req'd, stock look, bevelled everywhere necessary, T/A or at least Paul components quality. Look to Phil Wood also. Yes, some of us are willing to pay what things are worth! Hardening is an issue though, you don't want it to eat your chain. Also if you go ahead with this sell them through 1977, or at least get them on their website and drop-ship. Thanks for thinking of us.

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i wouldnt worry about aluminum eating a chain anytime soon, i'd worry about it going the other way.

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I'm not interested in one unless its steel!!!

Unless its for racing only, why bother?

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I read a little about the aerospace grade T651 7075 aluminum alloy, but I am no mettallurgist. It sounds like one of the hardest and most durable. Quoted below, it's described as 'considered high in strength", "fair machineability", and "low workability", which means to me it is more resistant to wear compared to the others which talk more about balance of strength with other factors, such as easier machineability and workability (not good when it comes to wear).

How well does it stand up to wear heat treated? What kind of mileage can we expect from these (have any of the bike guys worn one out yet)?

From http://www.aviationmetals.net/alumninum_rod_bar.html break>

"Alloy 7075 has been the standard workhorse 7XXX series alloy within the aerospace industry ever since. It was the first successful Al-Zn-Mg-Cu high strength alloy using the beneficial effects of the alloying addition of chromium to develop good stress-corrosion cracking resistance in sheet products. Although other 7XXX alloys have since been developed with improved specific properties, alloy 7075 remains the baseline with a good balance of properties required for aerospace applications. 7175 is more pure, however, it may not be suitable for all fracture toughness applications. This heat treatable alloy is considered high in strength. Corrosion resistance and machinability is fair. Rated low on workability and welded only by the resistance process. Heat treatable."

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hunh. well, perhaps, then. Still, probably no. Would rather take a stock gear and cut it down myself.

but thanks!

Custom Made Sprockets

I'll just throw this out there...

I have CNC machine

and a bunch of 6061

I already have canned programs for most sizes of flat sprockets, i.e. no offset that fit the 4 on 66mm bolt circle common to sachs, grimeca mags, some garelli's and cimmatti's

E-Mail me for a price

chuck@lumenlab.com

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Hi and thanks for you questions....In answer to how our sprockets are made, we "hob" the teeth on a special machine....Far more accurate sprockets are the result of the hobbing process (can look online for details if unsure what hobbing is)....Stamping,Lazer, water jet, and high definition plasma don't even compare in quality PLUS some of those processes can cause metals have their heat treating damaged (resulting in additional cost to re heat treat the metals) in addition to other problems. We generally hold our tolerances to plus or minus .003 of an inch on products we make (this is more accurate than need be but our machine is set up to do it already for other very close tolerance work). We are able to CNC machine and can use other metals as well...Typically for engine drive sprockets and countershaft sprockets we will use 8620 alloy steel heat treated and finished with an electroless nickel plating for anti corrosion, wear resistance, and lubricity. Typically the metals we use are heat treated prior to machining and the heat treating remains since it is throughout the metal and the hobbing process is done at a relatively low temperature. Sprocket teeth are chamfered and beveled. All lightening holes and mounting holes are beveled as well. Our sprockets can also be hard anodized as well.

Hope this helps.

Andrew

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Hi,

Look to the answer to the previous questions for some additional info on our sprockets....I think you might be interested in that...

Good Idea on advertising with 1977 Mopeds....I'll see if they'll let us do a banner there and of course we could always drop ship too.

Thanks for the lead and idea.

Andrew

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HI,

The sprockets are very durable as is BUT we can have them hard anodized as an option.

Andrew

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HI,

A precision made 7075 T651 aluminum sprocket will outlast a poorly made steel sprocket....Of course in order to give a fair comparison, we would have to know the specifications of the steel that the aluminum sprocket would be compared against...there are actually many different grades of "steel" available each with differing strength and wear characteristics.....To further increase the durability of our sprocket they can be hard anodized as well....this would increase an already long wearing sprocket's life by a factor of 2 or more....Most of the sprockets we make out of this material are replaced not because they are worn out but because they are physically damaged or destroyed (we sell a lot to moto crossers and hard core 4 wheelers....rocks can play havoc with the teeth....steel or otherwise....he people at Motoredbikes.com haven't worn one out yet and I think there is one person doing a test on one there.....Something to note tho....to make any sprocket last, it is clenliness and lubrication are very important BUT also checking the chain for excessive stretch can also make a BIG difference in sprocket longevity.

Hope this helps.

Andrew

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i will post patterns for sprickets if you let me know how many teeth and you have to know how to work a drill press and a grinder or take it to a machine shop. you can use mild steel stock then you can harden them with a kiln at 650 degrees f or with a torch as long as they heat soak and then air cool do not quench them.

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HI,

Love to see the patterns for the sprockets...

Andrew

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