simonini on a sachs

anyone done it?

i have a 77 columbia commuter with an Athena 80cc kit.

i was looking at the puch and peugeot exhausts. i know the peugeot says it would be easier to modify to put on, but would the gains be any better from the puch?

puch- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/puch-moped-simonini-performance-pipe-maxi-magnum-chrome_W0QQitemZ180172989285QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180172989285

peugeot- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/peugeot-103-moped-simonini-performance-pipe-sachs_W0QQitemZ180173089056QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180173089056

thanks

Re: simonini on a sachs

I am wondering about the peugot pipe as well. I have the athena on my general. The puch one i probably wouldnt try because i hear it is more of a top end pipe and the athena is already not that great on the low end but the peugeot one might be the same IDK. But it does look like mounting the peugeot one would be easier and cooler IMO.

Re: simonini on a sachs

The Peugeot pipe is made for variated mopeds. This means it has a high power peak, instead of a spread out powerband like the Puch model has. I'd prefer the Puch model.

Re: simonini on a sachs

the puch simonini is an extremely top end pipe, just going by preportions i'd guess the puegot is has a much wider powerband. this bike is already a bit too extreme to be a daily driver. so i'm pulling for the puch.

These kits run really well with the homet 6p from what i've heard, and that pipe is pretty close (id say not quite as good) as the puch simonini.

Re: simonini on a sachs

Homoet is indeed better for daily driving, Simonini for Puch is better if you want an extreme setup. The Simo does out-perform the Homoet, but just slightly.

Re: simonini on a sachs

I have done it! But with a Polini pipe of the same design. The header matches fine. You need a bracket to support the rear hangers. I made one for my 505 engine, it bolts to the case with 4 of the case bolts, I'll try to post a picture after lunch

peace

crackstar

Re: simonini on a sachs

yeah I'd like to check that out. Ive got a 2 piece biturbo hooked up to the original header on my athena 80cc kit and it sucks, really didn't change anything, but thats all I've really heard of people using aside from the impossible to get Giannelli which i hear isn't that great either. So any other pipe options I'm down to try out.

Re: simonini on a sachs

just ordered the puch pipe today so i should get it later this week, i'll keep ya'll up to date on the installation

Re: simonini on a sachs

i think we should keep this on the hush-hush until we can roll this bad boy out at a rally. show some suckas what milwaukee does in the off season, if ya know what i mean.

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and i dont mean man-on-man dry humping

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I think you should post results, and we'll all just give you credit for pioneering a great idea.

I mean, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, so if we copy you, it's basically like giving you mad props, yo.

In summary, i need a pipe for my sachs too and want to know what happens.

peugeot polini on 505

This is my polini pipe made for a peugeot 103 mounted on my sachs 505 case. My Polini looks very similar in design to that simonini

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Re: peugeot polini on 505

Nice man, How about the performance with Athena 80cc kit. Cause my biturbo sucks.

Re: peugeot polini on 505

Don't know about the 80cc, but it rips with the 70cc Athena. It really shits and gets. Though I still have a huge ring gear in the back. The polini pipe I have, I can say has a fairly broad power band, has a fair amount of pull at the bottom, but you really feel it kick in in the mids and then it really pulls up to the high RPMs

kinda like brooobrommmmhaaaa HAAAAAA WHAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Re: peugeot polini on 505

we've had a hard time dialing it in, mostly because brian broke his leg about a month ago and we haven't worked on it. jetting is way off, stock pipe, stock gears. i've heard from people who have built these that it is all about the pipe, cause it really falls on its face around 40-45, of course that is stock gearing too.

Re: peugeot polini on 505

stock gearing is 11/46th which normally gets you between 28-33mph. I just don't see how a pipe is going to push the revs to such a limit that you'd get bumped up an extra 10mph...i just don't see it. you know that useless feeling you get when trying to pedal a bicycle on it's lowest gearing on a flat but your rpms are so fast you just wind up wasting effort? that's what I mean about stock 11/46th gearing and 40-45mph...phew

Re: peugeot polini on 505

ha

i'm running nearly forty on a stock puch with (i shit you not, people in our crew can confirm this) 14/35 gears. mostly just because of a stupid weedeater pipe that revs the piss out of it. almost 200 miles and counting.. fingers crossed.

Re: peugeot polini on 505

oh a Puch I thought you were talking about a Sachs 505d, their engine internals in terms of gear ratios are radically different. a stock Sachs piston couldn't push you to 40mph with 14/35 gears, you'd be lucky to get moving before the stop light changes all colours.

Re: peugeot polini on 505

BS my stock 505/1D sachs eagle did 41 with a dellorto 14 and clamp on pipe, stock gears. And got there pretty quick

Re: peugeot polini on 505

Hit 40mph yesterday with my 505/1D. Just out for a test drive before planning to put a different carb on today.

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