Moby cylinder port positions

Hi guys, I've read the postings about fast and slow cylinders and seen the photographs - very helpful - but I have a cylinder with C cast on the side but which looks just like the fast cylinder in the picture _apart from_ the fact that my transfer ports are rectangular at the top rather than oval as the photo describes. I am confused!

To make it more objective, please can someone measure the positions of the ports relative to the head joint please? These are my dimensions between upper and lower edges of ports and cylinder head joint face:

Transfer upper 35.5 lower 43.2 port height 7.7

Exhaust upper 33.2 lower 42.8 port height 9.6

Inlet upper 52.5 lower 60.8 port height 8.3

and please can you say what letter is cast on the side of your cylinder. Hopefully we can draw up a chart of port timings for each cylinder type.

Cheers, Graham

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good questions man. what needs to be done is a full out cooperative study on these mysterious engines. I have a G on my cylinder. Visible when you take the header off. Stamped into the gasket as well. I believe mine is the "fast" cylinder, with round ports and such. hope that helps. off a 76 motobecane 50v.

-Steve

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To measure the ports you need to just compare width and the timing, the timing will give you the mean effective area which you need to compare the output of the engine. ALso it is needed for port timing so you can get a proper exhaust expansion chamber happening if you are going for performance.

Stock _fast cylinder_ on a 1970 50V intake opens 132 btdc, transfer 130 atdc, exhaust 113 atdc. because the timing on a two stroke is symmetrical you can figure the duration of the event into intake 96 degrees, transfer 130 degrees exhaust 134 degrees.

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wow. she's so smart.

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No Steve, I just research lots and try to do it right the first time, not everything works perfect but then that wuld just be boring.

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you're still pretty smart :). yes, researching is what i am trying to do now. i agree with you though, i'd love to hit it on the spot first time round.

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This has been said over and over.

The letters on the cylinder have nothing to do with the porting. They're only for factory matching of pistons to cylinders. The bore was off by thousandths of mm from the factory and pistons were matched to cylinders by a lettering system.

Also, almost all pistons will work with all cylinders, so disregard the lettering all together and just look at the ports.

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btw eric got that patch in the mail today. pretty sweet. gonna sew it onto my equipment bag.

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Are you sure that 50 didn't tell you this stuff?

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Oh, and this is great information from warisesi

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To convert from port height to diration in degrees you can use this formula for exhaust and transfer

Duration = (180 - COS ((T^2 + R^2 - L^2) / 2 R T)) 2

R = stroke / 2 in mm

L = conrod length in mm

C = Deck clearance in mm

E = Distance from port top to deck

because the intake is below the piston top for intake the formula is

Duration = (COS ((P^2 + R^2 - L^2) / 2 P R)) 2

P = R + L + H + C - F

R = stroke / 2 in mm

L = conrod length in mm

C = Deck clearance in mm

H = Distance from port top to deck

F = Port floor depth [deck to bottom of port]

Arran, me n 50 do share some secrets!

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math is fun.....

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damn. I don't like math, but I will work this out.

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wow, thats some good stuff.

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my eyeball is the best calculator around, god i hate math.

thx for the info warisesi.

remember when looking to amke ur bike faster that power is in the points just as much as its in the ports if not more so

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My next port job, i'm going to open up the transfers a lot further.

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