MOPED ARMY

yea i like to support 1977 cause they have an actual store and whatnot, but theyve messed up so a few times for me. If it cheaper at mopedshop just go there. i like 77 cause they have a nice website, have a store, and have a good inventory, its just hard to keep going back when they are inconsistent. my 2 cents

-steve

It's best to order a lot of things at once if you're going to order from either. It kind of offsets the shipping costs.

Go to 1977's website and read Dan's latest post. They are going to a warehouse setup and by the sound of things, more parts. I'm crossing my fingers for a Minarelli Circuit exhaust, personally...

Almost every time I have gone down to the shop there are either people needing help with their moped or the curious unwashed asking the usual newbie questions. This makes it hard for their employees to devote full attention to orders...it's not an excuse, but it likely one of the reasons why they are going to a different setup. I try to get as many parts from 1977 as I can, they have a good bunch of people there.

mopedshop is in nj, saddlebrook

The two pipes perform exactly the same. The header diameter, as well as all other dimensions of the pipe are identical. Perhaps Harold is mistaking the Tecno Estoril's header (which is only 23 mm OD) for the Tecnigas header which is 28.5 mm OD) The raw finish pipes tend to hold up better because the welding is better.(provided that your exhaust mount bracket is in good shape then the weld quality is negligible) . The chrome pipes have welds that sit very proud of the base material and do not have as much penetration. I am pretty certain this is done for aesthetic reasons however the fact is that the prettier weld is not necessarily the stronger weld. The chrome pipes are also a bit heavier due to the rear baffle design, On these pipes since they are mounted to Tomos mopeds that already have weak exhaust mounts, that extra weight is not too welcome. And FYI I have been heavily involved in the moped industry for over 20 years, and have had my own business and shop since prior to the Moped Army's birth. As far as overhead is concerned, I Lease a total of 6700 square feet in what amounts to be one of the highest cost of living areas in the US. Case in point, I just wrote out a check to PSEG for 1 months electric that is probably on par with what the rent for the shop in Kalamazoo would be. As far as shipping, 1977 will realize that shipping parts from the coast as opposed to their central location in MI is going to cost more and take more time.

The choice is entirely up to you. If you want the bling of the chrome pipe and annodized muffler then that is the one to get. If you are looking for the better performer then get either, since they are the same. If you are looking for the cheapest route, or to support the dealer with more overhead, or who has been into mopeds for longer then get the raw finish pipe.

Chris MWH

www.mopedshop.com

"The choice is entirely up to you."

As long as that choice is mopedshop.com!

(Note the _THREE SEPARATE REASONS_ why you should buy the raw finish pipe in the last paragraph, none of which have anything to do with the pipe itself.)

SEPARATE

I got hot about how you defended yourself there. I mean, you chose to open your store in NJ with the higher cost of living. So you pay for it. You've compensated for it and have grown a successful business. I just got this feeling from your post that we should buy from you, because of that reason. I don't like that notion, it seemed arrogant to me. I read back through everything and understand better where you are coming from. I'm sorry for the venom and sarcasm.

this world is too small.

Seems like a pretty decent place to me, although I wish they had that little online-help thing signed on more often. BTW, you can stop in and buy crap from them. I stopped in and bought some stuff as well as had a nice convo with (I think) Chris. Overall, MWH was very helpful to me, and I'll always buy from them (Unless someone else is much cheaper or MWH doesnt have the part, of course).

Part of that is because I live 40 Minutes away from the place, but they were still friendly.

Unfortunately overhead is the biggest factor in running a business, location another. But whatever, it's no skin off my nose what they do. But I have a hard time supporting a business that just all in the sudden decided that French bikes are where it's at after virtually ignoring that segment of the market for years. Granted most of the other dealers are equally guilty of this as well. Given that Motobecanes are the most common moped in Canada, and the second most in the US, it's rather like going to Napa and having them tell you that they have nothing for your F150 truck.

huh link didn't post www.quarterkick.com

You're going to ask that question on this website?

i'm in chicago. i buy from warbux, they get it thru 1977. life is good with 1977/warbux. though if it's for my french bike, i do get some parts from quarterkick. well, then again i have ordered from MWH for a lower engine mount screw. i guess, whoever has what i need i'm getting it from them. as far as for the pipes....to each is own. if you are building a shiny bike, get it from 1977, if its rat bike style, flat matte style or something, then get it from MWH.

my 2 cents