White Smoke after Motobecane Rebuild

Hello all, first moped and first post!

I recently got my hands on a Motobecane Model 7 and have been taking the opportunity to learn about moped repair/restoration. I got the moped running decently but had an inconsistent air-leak (it would sometimes bog down and need choke to run in the middle of a ride).

After reading Fred's Guide I decided to just rip it all apart, clean everything out, and put it back together. Put new seals and bearings on the crank, new motor mounts, spark plug, cables, and set the timing (took a few tries).

Now it runs great! But there's white smoke coming out of the exhaust which I've never seen before. Also some coming out of the "engine" but I think it's coming from the connection to the exhaust -- I tightened that connection onto a new gasket to be very tight, but was afraid of stripping threads if I pushed anymore, though it seems like since it's leaking I didn't go far enough.

Any tips? Mostly for the white smoke, I think with the gasket I'll need to reseat it.

Also , I bought a torque wrench but only after I had most of it back together. The only think I could reach with the wrench to torque correctly are the crank-case halves. I got them fairly tight with loctite -- do you think I should take it apart enough to retighten them with the torque wrench?

Thanks!

Picture doesn't show it well, but here's a video of the white smoke.

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Re: White Smoke after Motobecane Rebuild

If it’s not smoking it is probably broken. It’s a 2 stroke, it uses premixed oil and gas. It’s gonna smoke.

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Dan the mope Conway /

Well In the moped world, white smoke usually means you’re burning transmission fluid and there’s a leaky seal from the trans to the crank case.

But, this is a moby. I’m going to assume the smoke is normal 2 stroke operation. Depending on what oil you use the smoke can be white, commonly blueish and sometimes even purple depending on the oil.

I would address the exhaust leak if it is still leaking. I usually like to buy several exhaust gaskets for a bike just incase. There are few things more excruciating than waiting days to do a fix on a 2 dollar part.

Nice work! Sounds like it’s gonna be a good bike.

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Dan the mope Conway /

Regarding torquing, if you feel like everything is evenly tightened and if the bike is running fine with no airleaks (other than the exhaust flange leak) after checking the case and all engine mating surfaces with carb cleaner, No you do not “need” to remove the engine to check. However, if this were me and I did all that without a torque wrench and I just bought one after I did it... might be something nice to do.

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Pushrod Fifty /

Smoke should be dull gray but can be white if the engine is still cold as it's producing alot of condensation in the exhaust until it's warmed up.

Best to do a leak down test, I put a Moby case together once and very carefully done, and leak tested it on the bench and found a leaking seal and had to replace it.

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Alex Gribov /

Awesome, thanks! Leak down test sounds like a good idea, I'll order the parts for that. Bought a gauge to make a compression tester too but can't seem to find it. Also I wanted to put an aftermarket exhaust on there but apparently the Ninja G3 with motobecane kit doesn't at all fit the Model 7, but I'll save that for a separate forum post.

How hard do you usually need to push the exhaust to stop leaking? I read some stories of people stripping their exhaust port and was afraid of pushing further, it's already at the point where I'm 'straining to get it tighter'

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Pushrod Fifty /

I use Permatex copper RTV on header coupling nuts and header to pipe joints. It holds up to the temps and unburned fuel mix and doesn't require that the nut be so tight to seal. The joints come apart easily and it can be cleaned out easy enough if and when a teardown needs to be done.

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Double up the crush gaskets. That always worked for me.

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NICE Ranger 7 by the way !!!

Because of the size of the BIG nut on the exhause it needs to be check tight when the engine is heat soaked. With the engine cooking hot you should be able to get it to seal properly and it will not shake loose. The thread damaged you read about is usually from the nut shaking loose and eating the threads from vibrations and not overtorque.

Do not use any sort of sealant as a substitute for good mechanical practice and there is no need for doubling up the exhause gasket. That can cause more leakage as well as reduce the number of threads the BIG nut is grabbing in the cylinder.

IF-when you decide to go pipe shopping, a PUG big nut pipe will fit closer to the serie 7 engine angle than a Moby pipe will, but you will still need a welder friend to adjust the angle so it fits goodly to the bike. You will also want to change out the carb for something that is not a Gurtner, as there is limited sizes of jets available and you will need to rejet for the pipe. SHA14:12 would be a straight trade, SHA14:14 will fit but you need to resize the ID of the intake to 14mm (it necks down at the middle of the pipe) and make sure you get a cable choke not a lever. Lever will work, but cable is a better choice in my opinion because you can feather the choke if you are leaning out while testing/developing by riching up the charge a bit.

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White smoke could be the enrich piston (14119) is not fully closed on the Gurtner carb if you are still running one. The piston covers a port you can see on the bore of the carbs exit when the 'choke' is not on and open when the 'choke' is on. That port being open allows more fuel to enter the charge which can give you a overly rich mixture and the extra smoke. You need to slack the choke cable so there is about 1/4 inches play in the choke lever or about 1/16 inch slack at the carb fitting. The little piston can also sometimes be stuck, they can be pushed out and polished a bit so it slides easy but is not super loose.

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ALSO - now you have a fresh engine and are thinking to do some mods, you might find this plug reading chart handy-dandy

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Alex Gribov /

Hey Rebel Moby!

Thanks! Attaching another picture of the Moby, as well as my attempts to attach the Ninja G3 I bought before realizing it doesn't fit the Model 7 well...

I bought it with a Sha 15.15, and sadly the previous owner opted to get the lever choke which I've found extremely annoying so far, wish it was a cable...

The overly rich mixture could also be connected to the other forum post where you suggested my jetting is way too high.

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Re: White Smoke after Motobecane Rebuild

Those are excellent pipes, you should get a welder to modify the header section so it fits tighter to the undercarriage of the bike.

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