Why These Vespa Bravo Forks So Soft?

The front shocks on my Bravo super soft. I replace the seals and topped off the oil, but nothing changed. There are no other remedies in the Haynes manual either. Not sure what else I can do.

Any ideas what's going on here? Anything I can do to improve?

Re: Why These Vespa Bravo Forks So Soft?

Use heavier oil .

Maybe heavier springs .

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I saw someone put external coil springs over the smaller shaft.

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Linky Linky

Read this thread.

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Tried that. No difference.

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link not working. can you repost?

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I used a set of porch swing springs on mine. It got rid of the wet noodle feel.

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https://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?1,4247899

Try this. It’s Joe’s thread about those springs.^^^

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How are they holding up, Joe? Wiper cups still okay?

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> Seth B Wrote:

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> How are they holding up, Joe? Wiper cups still okay?

Yeah still working well, I borrowed the variator stuff from it recently for my bravo chopper build. I’ll get the ciao going again soon it’s one of my favorite bikes to ride.

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So what's weird is that previously I agreed that they are miserable. But I've been extensively riding them of late at 25 mph and the freaking bike feels at that speed like ktm !!! I always wanted a speedy bravo and ended up with a zippy bravo that gets up quickly. and it handles on all sorts of strangeness. Such as speed bumps perfectly

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You know, I agree. They really soft in person when you pump them, but on the road I don't mind them much.

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i like the soft suspension. as long as you arent bottoming out , who cares? its mopeds....

bravos are sweet for trips through the woods.

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Ssssooooo.... You all know the oil in Bravo forks does nothing.... Right?

The fork springs have no pistons in them, so nothing slows down the flow of oil, and no damping occurs.

If you take them apart you'll find out.

The addition of springs idea is a good one though.

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Ike of course at least I know that. And I had real tired springs when I bought the bravo. When I redid everything and had it all painted I lucked out on a nos set that was primed only and never ever run. It's those forks that I honestly thought were near as bad as the original set but now have revised my opinion of. I don't think they are a fork to hit speed at and expect motorcycle street handling. These new ones like the low speed mid twenties but also ride on grass or a speed bump near perfect at slow speed. They shine at super low speeds. Very strange and it makes me sure that the designers envisioned this moped for the low speed cobblestones of Europe. My grande will ride way more motorcycle like but the bravo is unique. I think they way I've been riding it of late is what it was designed originally to do.

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I read through Joe's thread, and based on that, modified my super-soft Bravo front shocks by adding external springs as shown in the other images in the thread. I ordered two sets of springs from Century Springs since I couldn't find anything that seemed like it'd fit locally. One set I ordered was a bit too stiff, but the other seems just about perfect. It's part 3394 , with the following specs:

Material Spring Steel - SPR

Wire Dia (in) 0.135

O. D. (in) 1.390

I. D. (in) 1.120

Free Length (in) 5.50

Total Coils 17.00

Rate (lb/in) 16.00

Ends Closed - C

Suggested Max Load (lb) 49.000

Suggested Max Deflection (in) 3.100

Solid Length (in) 2.43

Standard Finish Zinc - Z

These are $10 each, and seem to preserve the "Bravo bounce" without feeling like using the front brakes is going to throw you forward off the bike. I'm a little concerned that the fender will rub against it ever so slightly, but since mine is a bit of a beater, it's not that big a deal for me personally.

Hopefully that's useful to anyone else out there looking to improve their own Bravo shocks.

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Excellent update, Matt!

For my dirtped project I ended up with Grande forks, which are amazing. But I might try those springs on something!

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