Well there's your problem

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I'm guessing this is why I'm not getting my new to me Intramotor Gloria Scout to run. I pulled back the curtain (electrical tape) from a previous owner and this is what I found. I've got the wiring diagram but this is still hard to make sense of. The condenser is not pictured as it has been wired (one of the red wire) externally. I'm trying to figure out if I should redo this, keeping things as they are wired (with proper connections) or try and start from scratch. I'm thinking start from scratch.

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perfect example of total moped craftsmanship.

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I would first do a spark test using an inline spark tester because grounding the spark is tough with 1 person. I would cut that ugly solder connection and buy a new internal condenser. Depending on what was used as the external condenser It probably wont hurt to have an external condenser too if its wired properly. I would wire it exactly as the schematic shows. As per the other blogs the external condenser doesn't have good ratings. I had my external and internal condenser connected for 2 years and it works fine. I'm just not exactly sure if my internal condenser is defective.

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Amazing what some think will do .

And , the location of the condenser is a moot point , other than accessibility . It could be in your neighbors kitchen and still do a proper job , if wired properly .

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Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" /

> P D Wrote:

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> Amazing what some think will do .

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> And , the location of the condenser is a moot point , other than

> accessibility . It could be in your neighbors kitchen and still do a

> proper job , if wired properly .

This is true. However, it would probably cause interference in all AM radios within a 2 mile radius.

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> Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" Wrote:

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> > P D Wrote:

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> > Amazing what some think will do .

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> >

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> > And , the location of the condenser is a moot point , other than

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> > accessibility . It could be in your neighbors kitchen and still do a

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> > proper job , if wired properly .

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> This is true. However, it would probably cause interference in all AM

> radios within a 2 mile radius.

How many AM radios are in actual use ?

And , then , only if there were a non resistor system being run .

It only takes a single 5K ohm resistance , some where along the way to the spark ( wire , cap or the plug ) , to quell that interference . ;)

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OY!

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♣Slew Foot♣ /

You should never leave the old one in the circuit it will fail and break the circuit and it kind of does matter where it is because the closer it is to the coil the faster the response time it's negligible I mean it's tiny bit but it could be a problem if you're actually really really really trying to get everything running perfect but then again you can always fudge it with your timing

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> ♣Slew Foot♣ Wrote:

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> You should never leave the old one in the circuit it will fail and break

> the circuit and it kind of does matter where it is because the closer it

> is to the coil the faster the response time it's negligible I mean it's

> tiny bit but it could be a problem if you're actually really really

> really trying to get everything running perfect but then again you can

> always fudge it with your timing

The speed of electricity is about 280,000,000 meters per second.

That's about 174 thousand miles per second .

That's real close to 7 times around the earth in a single second .

Do you really think it kind of matters where the condenser is located ?

At that rate of speed there's not likely any humanly possible way to 'adjust' the timing to compensate .

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♣Slew Foot♣ /

and a well well kitted motor runs at how many RPMs a minute and the points open for how many tenths of a second it matters but you'd really have to be obsessive

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Doesn't matter how obsessive . Not even a maybe .

Is there even a device to measure exactly what any difference might be ?

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♣Slew Foot♣ /

An oscilloscope works

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> ♣Slew Foot♣ Wrote:

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> An oscilloscope works

I'd like to see proof of that .

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♣Slew Foot♣ /

WTF if you really want to do it look at the oscilloscope and compare it to a mic and yes it would matter tell you what take your external condenser and put the farthest you can away from the stator and see if your timing changes

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> ♣Slew Foot♣ Wrote:

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> WTF if you really want to do it look at the oscilloscope and compare it

> to a mic and yes it would matter tell you what take your external

> condenser and put the farthest you can away from the stator and see if

> your timing changes

This pointless . For any practical application , condenser position makes no difference .

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I actually do that exact same thing on most bikes anymore...but with actual solder.

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♣Slew Foot♣ /

Most anytime you'll put it next to the stator or it will go right next to the high-tension coil but did you ever try putting the freaking negative ground on the tail and see what happens just put the freaking condenser on the tail light circuit and see if it works Thomas is a really weird when it comes to wiring if you're freaking ground is too far back your headlight will be dim

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