Za50- What goes in this hole?

What goes in this round hole on top of the case of my ZA 50? It looks like a breather hole of some sort, but mine kind a looks like it has a wine cork in it that’s busted off halfway down. What supposed to go there?

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Re: Za50- What goes in this hole?

That's the tranny fill hole. What you see are the remains of the original tranny fluid filler plug. If you can't get the remains of the old plug out, don't worry about it. As long as the fluid can flow around the remnants of the old plug, you're fine. Treats probably carries replacement plugs. (edited)

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> Moped Lar (OFMC) Wrote:

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> That's the tranny fill hole. What you see are the remains of the

> original tranny fluid filler plug. If you can't get the remains of the

> old plug out, don't worry about it. As long as the fluid can flow around

> the remnants of the old plug, you're fine. Treats probably carries

> replacement plugs.

Ah, I see. I thought I was supposed to try to get the fluid thru the little hole in the side cover. Does the fill plug in the top screw in or push in? If I remove the side cover, can I get to it from the inside?

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It pushes in and no, you can't get to that old filler plug if you take the cover off.

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So what happens when the remnants fall into the transmissions? Fluid wouldn't flow past it so I touched it with a pick, and, well...

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It gets ground up by the tranny gears.

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> Moped Lar (OFMC) Wrote:

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> It gets ground up by the tranny gears.

Fair enough. It felt pretty crumbly when I poked at it, then poof it was gone. I'll replace it and not fret about it. I'll change the fluid after a few miles.

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Replacement plugs don't seem to be available anywhere. I'm guessing this hole serves as the case vent as well, so whatever I stick in there can't be airtight, correct? I should be able to find something to shove in there to keep water out, but let it breathe.

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There's a different case vent hole, I use a rubber stopper to seal mine

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> Seth B Wrote:

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> Replacement plugs don't seem to be available anywhere. I'm guessing this

> hole serves as the case vent as well, so whatever I stick in there can't

> be airtight, correct? I should be able to find something to shove in

> there to keep water out, but let it breathe.

The new wine corks aren't really cork . They would likely work , if you remember to save the cork after drinking the bottle of wine . LOL

Otherwise , just take a look at the variety of stoppers at your local hardware .

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> Moped Lar (OFMC) Wrote:

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> That's the tranny fill hole. What you see are the remains of the

> original tranny fluid filler plug. If you can't get the remains of the

> old plug out, don't worry about it. As long as the fluid can flow around

> the remnants of the old plug, you're fine. Treats probably carries

> replacement plugs.

Yes treats had/has them.

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Rubber stopper it is, since it's otherwise vented, until treats gets them again. I just didn't want to plug her up tight & blow crank seals or something. This za50 has me paranoid as hell to touch it, after all the crap I've been reading about them. Screw it, it's just mopeds, right? Heard that somewhere. I'm gonna slap a piston & rings in it & grin.

Maybe I should have a E50 back up plan.

And I don't do wine. Ew.

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^^ Don't know how I missed that.

*trying to think of something to say to make me look smart here*

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> Seth B Wrote:

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> ^^ Don't know how I missed that.

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> *trying to think of something to say to make me look smart here*

You wanted a metal one instead of plastic. So it doesnt happen again since you will be keeping it forever.

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That's it! That's the answer I needed.

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I still say the wine not a cork is a cheap and good solution . It even provides a bit of class . LOL

And , not all wine is ew . Some of it is pretty bad , but , some is the nectar of the gods . ;)

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> The new wine corks aren't really cork . They would likely work , if you

> remember to save the cork after drinking the bottle of wine . LOL

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> Otherwise , just take a look at the variety of stoppers at your local

> hardware .

Hey PD, I just had to. I may not drink the stuff, but the old lady likes it, and I’ve always got a few corks in the drawer. Looks good, no?

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> Seth B Wrote:

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> > The new wine corks aren't really cork . They would likely work , if

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> > remember to save the cork after drinking the bottle of wine . LOL

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> > Otherwise , just take a look at the variety of stoppers at your local

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> Hey PD, I just had to. I may not drink the stuff, but the old lady likes

> it, and I’ve always got a few corks in the drawer. Looks good, no?

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Ha . There ya go . Nice tight fit , too . LOL

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> P D Wrote:

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> Ha . There ya go . Nice tight fit , too . LOL

I had to run a half inch hole punch into the end of it about half an inch or so, and remove the excess material to get it to fit in the hole. Works great.

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> Seth B Wrote:

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> I had to run a half inch hole punch into the end of it about half an

> inch or so, and remove the excess material to get it to fit in the hole.

> Works great.

I had no idea what size that hole is . Kinda hard to tell with no everyday reference along side to gauge it .

Neat how the new corks are more form to fit .

Anyway , the new wine corks stick together a lot better than the cork jobs .

And , I like the bare foot print on your 'plug' .

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Seth,

You can get those connection blocks at most electrical contractors supply houses. Comes in like a foot long stick that can be cut to length for $5.......enough for one Puch and two Garellis.

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> Pacer Racer Wrote:

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> Seth,

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> You can get those connection blocks at most electrical contractors

> supply houses. Comes in like a foot long stick that can be cut to length

> for $5.......enough for one Puch and two Garellis.

Or , being as those connections will be 'permanent' why not solder and shrink tube them . That would be a better connection and look much better to boot . ;)

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> P D Wrote:

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> > You can get those connection blocks at most electrical contractors

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> > supply houses. Comes in like a foot long stick that can be cut to

> length

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> > for $5.......enough for one Puch and two Garellis.

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> Or , being as those connections will be 'permanent' why not solder and

> shrink tube them . That would be a better connection and look much

> better to boot . ;)

Because when a lighting coil or magneto coil goes out then you are left to cut and resolder and reheatshrink them.

Not to mention needing to drop/swap a motor or temporarily disconnect wiring to hunt down wiring gremlins.

Thats why ;)

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BS ... All those 'reasons should have long been addressed and put to bed .

Unless you change coils or motors every week . LOL

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Most of these are antiques and parts break or fail. Things go wrong with new vehicles just the same.

I'm not hardwiring any of my vehicles unless its a neccesary roadside repair to get home.

Eventually after cutting and resoldering enough the wires will be too short. (edited)

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> Pacer Racer Wrote:

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> Most of these are antiques and parts break or fail. Things go wrong with

> new vehicles just the same.

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> I'm not hardwiring any of my vehicles unless its a neccesary roadside

> repair to get home.

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> Eventually after cutting and resoldering enough the wires will be too

> short.

Why would you cut out a soldered connection ? Just heat it and done .

Plus you don't have to be concerned about any corrosion .

And , they still make wire , every day . ;)

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Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" /

A pair of 4 pin waterproof connectors would make a nicer job of it. One male and one female on the bike, and one of each on the motor.

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> P D Wrote:

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> > Most of these are antiques and parts break or fail. Things go wrong

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> Why would you cut out a soldered connection ? Just heat it and done .

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> And , they still make wire , every day . ;)

You ever try to resolder wires that have already been soldered???? Oh wait, you dont twist them together to make a mechanical connection BEFORE soldering them?????? I do.

I don't particularly want to go I tracking down four of five colors of wire either. (edited)

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Guys, guys, you're both right - but Blaine is the most right. Investing a little time in a quality solder job will keep future gremlins at bay, but shit does happen - so grab a pack of quality connectors so you dont have to scavenge (I saw Treats selling a pretty cheap package of average looking connectors).

Also, why don't more ppl encase their Puch wires? Aesthetics aside, isn't anyone else concerned about rain + grime?

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