just got my first moped...but it doesnt run

Hello

I just got an old JC Penney pinto 2.0 hp moped, and I have had no success in starting it. I think it is a fuel delivery problem. I took out the petcock (since no gas would come out in any position). I disassembled it, cleaned it as best I could till air would blow through all the holes, then reinstalled it, but to no avail. I think that I didnt clean the petcock sufficiently, and the fuel tank seems to be extremely rusty inside. I drained the gas in the course of removing the petcock, and it was all brown and full of rusty bits. Also, What I cleaned out of the petcock was like a gray clay like substance, which had clogged every hole. I dont think this thing has been run in ten years, but I think it might if I could get the gas down into the carb. I have pretty much adhered to the manufacturers recommendations for starting (depress the choke, prime, etc.) A little gas came out after I reinstalled the petcock, but shouldn't it dump out? or at least fill the fuel line up?

Do these things have a battery? Do they use engine oil other that what you mix with the gas? I checked the trans fluid, and plan to change it if I can ever get the bike started.

another that I think its not getting any gas is because it doesn't make any smoke when you turn it over, leading me to believe the cylinder is dry. Is this assumption correct?

Please advise me on what steps to take to get this thing running and road worthy. Mainly I want to see that its gonna run, and then start fixing everything else up. Its no show piece, but it just might be cheap enough for me to actually fix up(vs. a car). anyway..... Please help.

Sorry if this is kids stuff to you guys; Ive been working on cars for awhile, but dont really know shit about bikes, except what can be carried over. I do have good common sense and can fix just about anything, but please, if there are things I should know please tell me cause I dont want to make things worse.

Two more things..

1. when I took out the petcock it has a little tube sticking up out of it. what is this for? It seemed to be plugged with a small bit of plastic intentionally. why could this be. The little plug of course fell out and got lost. should i replace it?

also, what kind of oil do you guys recommend?

I plan to clean(rinse) out the tank and petcock(again) tomorrow, no, on second though it wont do shit until I find out more, so I hope some body can help me out.

Sorry for the long first post and thank you for reading this far.

PEACE

oh yeah what kind of in line fuel filter should I get? and where?

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Re: just got my first moped...but it doesnt run

go ahead and clean out the tank real good-flushit out. i flush mine with water and then let it dry or use a hair dryer if i am in a hurry.

cleanout the petcock really good also i would a toothbrush and some carb cleaner. and maybe a pipe cleaner to get any hard to reach spots

i do not know your skill level, but with the gas being so filthy i would take off the carb very carefully and remember how things came off. i would then proceed to clean all the components being very careful not to drop anything. once you have the carb back on(check the air filter somewhere along the line) i would check the spark plug.

you can clean it with a little sand paper. if you have the manual it should tell you what the spark plug gap should be. there are tools for adjusting spark plug gap if you do not have one you can get one at an auto store for 3 bucks.

as far as motor oil is concerned just mix the gas and 2 strke oil. your manual should tell you the correct ratio which is usually around 25-30to1

as for repairing that intentionally clogged line in the petcock. i would forget it for now, just concentrate on getting fuel to flow out at a nice steady pace.

as for oil i buy the cheapest 2 stroke oil at wal-mart

really concentrate on that fuel. clean it so it looks brand new.

allso when you flush the tank let water run out the petcock for some tme, but also dump the water out through the filler cap a few times to get any large chunks out.

good luck let me know what happens

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what about the inline filter? I think this is kinda critical, and i might replace the fuel line too. but what kind/where do you get them?

as far as cleaning the tank/ petcock ill let you know how it goes.

Re: just got my first moped...but it doesnt run

DO YOU SEE AN INLINE FILTER ON YOUR LINE OR IS THERE A NUT GOING INTO THE CARB WHERE THE FUEL LINE ENTERS. VERY RARELY ARE THEY IN THE CARB BUT IT IS POSSIBLE

ALOT OF THE OLD ONES JUST RUN A SCREEN IN THE GASTANK AROUD THE PETCOCK. IF YOU WANT TO ADD A FILTER YOUR SELF ,YOU COULD PROBABLY GO TO A DEALER, BUT I DO NOT LIKE DEALERS SO I WOULD GO TO AN AUTO PARTS STORE AND TELL THEM WHAT YOU NEED IT FOR. TRY AND GET A CLEAR ONE SO YOU CAN SEE IT FLOW.

AS FOR THE LINES THEMSELVES I WOULD DO THE SAME. ALOT OF AUTO PARTS STORES SELL IT BY THE FOOT. MAKE SURE YOU BRING IN YOUR OLD ONE TO MATCH IT UP. JUST MAKE SURE THE LINES WILL HANDLE FUEL.

IF FINDING THEM AT AN AUTO PARTS STORE FAILS, I WOULD GO TO A SMALL ENGINE REPAIR SHOP(IF YOU GOT ONE CLOSE) AND AS A LAST RESORT A SUZUKI OR YAMAHA DEALER. I SAY THE DEALER LAST BECAUSE THEY WILL CHARGE THE MOST. AND FOR SMALL STUFF LIKE THIS GIVE YOU POOR QUALITY PRODUCTS.

BUT REMEMBER IT IS CRITICAL TO GET THAT FUEL FLOWING STEADILY THROUGH THAT PETCOCK

KEEP ME UP DATED

Re: just got my first moped...but it doesnt run

YOU MAY BE ABLE TO PICK A NEW PETCOCK AT HOME DEPOT OR ONE OF THE PLACES I STATED EARLIER. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT TOOLS YOU HAVE, BUT A TAP AND DIE SET COULD MAKE PETCOCKS FIT FROM A TON OF APPLICATIONS

Re: just got my first moped...but it doesnt run

Yes!!!!!!!!

she runs!!!!!!!!

I am so stoked. Thanks for you help.

Heres what I did.

Took out the tank and rinsed/shook it out for like an hour.

Took out the petcock and cleaned it with a piece of guitar string and brake cleaner (it was a Thick A string in case anybody cares).

Took apart the carb and cleaned it out with brake cleaner(love that stuff). it wasnt too dirty, it was mainly just clogged up at the fuel inlet with the same grey clay-like crust as the petcock.

Did a Prelim cleanup on the whole bike.

Stayed up all night last night doing all this, then rode around for awhile.

I did break something though. The handle for accelerating was slipping where its mounted to the handlebars, so when you tryed to turn the accelerator, it would just turn the whole handle-NO GO.And since my kill switch is right there, I was accidentally cutting the ped off. So I looked at it and saw that the previous owner had put electrical tape around the handlebar and then retightened the brake/accel handle down around the tape. So I figure its time for some new tape. So Basically as I was trying to put the handle around the tape, I had to sort of pry open the handle a bit where the screw that holds it on goes through. and A peice broke off. so I drilled a hole through the remaining handle and through the bars, and put a bolt through it. works better thatn electrical tape or any other BS quick fix could ever do. but i do want to at least have a replacement JIC. '77 pinto 2.0 hp. If anybody has that handle I want it.

As far as an air filter, do most peds have one? This one doesnt. It just had what looked like a dryer duct(but smaller in diameter)inside the intake tube/box/thing.

I still want an inline fuel filter, cause I can see the rusty bits falling through my fuel line into me carb. Hopefully some lawnmower spot or something will have a kit....but if anybody here knows please let me know.

Thanks again for all your help, and expect to see alot more of me in the coming days, weeks, etc. Soory if this post is a little loopy, Ive been up all night and its noon.

Chill...

Oh yeah on these bikes if the low tail bulb is out will it make the high bulb stay on?

Re: just got my first moped...but it doesnt run

that dryer duct thing, is it inside a black rectangular box? if so that is the air filter/air box.

As for the inline fuel filter, go to Wal-mart and go to the lawn and garden section, they have Briggs and Sratton tune up parts and there is one little "kit" that has a length of clear fuel line and an inline filter, they work perfectly.

The piece that broke off of the petcock, don't sweat it too much, there are three positions on a petcock, off-on-reserve, what happens in the on position is that the gas is pulled through the little meatl straw that was sticking up into the tank, the plastic thing on the end is a bit of a filter to stop large particles, you can live without it, when you go to reserve the gas is drawn from the base of the petcock. The point of the reserve is so when you run out of gas on "On" you can flip to reserve and get youar ass to the gas station.

Make sure you don't forget to mix oil with the gas, about 4 onces of oil per gallon of gas is good

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Yeah the dryer duct thing is inside the air (I wanna say filter, cause thats what should be in there, right?) box, but there is no filter.

Ive never heard of an engine with no air filter, but whoever had this bike (one owner) was kind of an idiot I think. No preventive maintenence was done, and the air pump and tool kit are missing.

plus its just in disrepair generally. But ill get it back in shape.

So that brings me to my next question:

Where do you guys go for parts? Are moped tune-up parts (filters, etc.) available at retail anywhere like auto zone,napa, or similar places?

I want to get the air filter in place asap, and I will probably get the fuel filter tonight, but where to go for the air filter? assuming it should have one.

Thanks for clearing up the petcock thing. Although it is a plastic hose stickin up out of it and not a metal one, the thing that was confusing me was that I thought the plug was supposed to be closed off all the way, so as no to allow any fuel through. thanks again. that reminds me, I forgot to set it to "off" when I parked it. is that bad? the carb does not leak at all. There is still a slow leak in the petcock off position, which Im assuming is caused by the metal where the part that turns (the thing you turn to change from on to off to res.) sits into the body of the petcock. you know, where the three holes are its corroded out a little. Should I be concerned about this?

Im mainly concerned with getting the filters on right now though.

Re: just got my first moped...but it doesnt run

you nedd to try to keep the petcock on off when not in use even when the carb doesn't leak, you never know when it might start.

I'll take a pic of the airbox, these things are not like cars, you don't change the air fliter, you rarely have to change the filter material, if ever, and Puchs are made to never have to be replaced. You have a Puch motor on your JC Penney, so parts are easy to come by, mopedwarehouse.com, ikesbikes.com, and 50cc.nl are all good places to get parts

Re: just got my first moped...but it doesnt run

sweet. thanks ray.

This forum rulez!

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Leon Swarmer /

I'll tackle your tailight question.

The answer is NO.

Just like many cars, the bulb is a two filament bulb. One is for tail light and the brighter one is for brake light. If bright is on all the time, look for a brake light switch stuck on. You could pull out the bulb and look to see if the filaments are both good or run a voltmeter or test light on the contacts in the bulb socket.

I'm betting this is a 6 volt system, but you might wait for someone who knows.

Leon

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it is not necessarily a dual fil. bulb, some of the bikes made by Puch used a two bul taillight one bulb for high and one for low, some used the dual fil. bulb, but no the high should not be on if the low is burnt out, if it is a dual fil. it is possible that the bulb is in backwards, the wires are hooked up wrong so high is low and low is high, or if it is a two bulb system the low may have burnt out and the previous owner switched the bulbs so the light would be on.

Another solution may be that one of the brake light switches is malfunctioning and keeping the brighter light on all the time.

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Leon Swarmer /

Appreciate that, Ray.

Leon

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yeah the wires had just slipped off the brake handle. they were touching each other and turned on the high lamp. I guess I just couldnt see the low bulb because it was daytime when I checked them.

Im not sure if its 6 or 12 volt, but it uses 12 auto bulbs.

just to confirm, yes my bike uses two separate small bulbs. I wish a dual filly would fit in there, they are so dim, and that would give me more options.

Anybody run a halogen headlight? If so, HOw?

Thanks again everyone.

Re:tailight thanks

it should not be using 12v auto bulbs, it is a 6v system, when you get 6v bulbs in there they will be brighter but they will always be dim at idle, when the bike revs up the magneto puts out more power and the lights brighten up

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Keith Hannah /

For nearly every 6 volt auto bulb there is a 12 volt bulb that will fit in the same socket. Your bulbs would be dim if you were using 12 volt bulbs in a 6 volt system.

Just a possibility

Keith

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ok now I can tell my story. where to start. oh yeah. There once was an idiot. his username on moped army was reluctant_sinecure.

so here is how the deed went down, so to speak. Aren't you just quivering with anticipation?

First of all, let me say that I lied. I will not apologise for this. The only reason I did it was so I wouldn't have to tell this story which nobody will read anyway.

The lie I told you all was that the moped I was working on, and fixed successfully on the first try with no experience with either carbuerators or small engines, with just my wits, (I know its not hard to troubleshoot a moped, but the people who it REALLY belonged to had done nothing but neglect it, just like they do everything they own, and would NEVER have been able to get it running, despite even their best efforts)belonged to me.

It was not my moped, never was, never will be.

Since I knew they had the ped, and would NEVER fix it, I had been after them to just give it up. I mean what good is a moped that doesnt run and just collects dust and rust, right?

I think any reasonable person would agree.

So this past friday these "people" called me and asked me to hook up their internet, which I have become adept at. I, being the humbly generous person I am, agreed to come over. I even turned down the money they offered to pay me for hooking it up. And it's not like I'm super tight with these people, to be honest their shit kind of wierds me out. <----1st mistake!!!

So after I hooked up their net service late friday, I convinced them to let me throw the bike into the back of my moms staion wagon to see if i could get it going, with the agreement that i would bring it back over the weekend and we could talk about it.........

Let me give you some background on the bike.

These people, and I will refer to them in this way to save their pathetic asses further embarassment than they cause themselves just by being who they are, bought the bike from a friend of the girl's (they are a married couple with a kid) parents for 1 cent. thats right, one copper penny. And how did they show their gratitude? By dumping the bike in the garage next to the broken down car that also is stored there. As well as is the RIDING MOWER, which because it got a flat tire, these people hired a landscaping service. their lawn is not really even big enough to necessitate a riding mower, or a landscaping service, but hopefully this will give you some idea of just how helpless, spoiled and dependent on other people these folks seem content to be.

So anyway, they told me more than once that the reason they would not sell the bike is because the guy who sold it to them (the above mentioned 'rent's friend) had admonished them that if they were going to give the bike away, not to take it from him in the first place. And I could tell the guy took care of his shit. whoever had it loved that ped. This was the only reason they would verbally tell me. The thing that underlies this, is that these people are totally dependent finacially on the girl's parents, because these two helpless children (who are older than me) made a baby. And as far as I could gather, they would rather have neglected the moped forever (had I not fixed it) rather than risk having to stand on their own two feet after mommy and daddy (ponentially) would cut them off because they disobeyed ONE OF THE GIRL"S PARENTS' FRIENDS BY SELLING ME A MOPED THEY HAD NO INTENTION OF FIXING. This is the same girl, who before she got pregnant, swore she was poor, yet had her own three bedroom apartment by the lake, and NO JOB. She would be like, yeah i'm down with you guys(typical rich kid shit), when she is in fact richer than most of my friends combined. Lame.

But, alas I set myself up for this. I never should have fixed it. I took the bike against my better judgement. These people are FLAKY With a big old capital f.

After I fixed it, I never should have taken it back, and I never would have, but they still had the title. They probably would have given me the bike had i waited long enough, but I have a compulsion to fix stuff that i can ride. Sorry. SUe me.

But of course when I took it back, they wouldnt part with it. they said something like yeah you can use it sometime if you want. Totally ungrateful. I guess I hooked it up to show them that I should have it, but I should have known it would never work.

I spent about ten bucks in gas, oil, and misc shit to get it running good. and about 14 hrs of work(remember i'm a beginner =). They gave me twenty bucks. TOTAL. thats all I got out of it.

In previous posts I desribed how I troubleshot and what I did to repair this moped. What would you have to pay to have that done at a scooter shop? I bet it would be more than twenty bucks. Remember, I am not close with these folks.

So because you folks have been so nice, and so immensely helpful, I have decided to turn my loss into your gain. The twenty is earmarked for donation to whoever pays to maintain this site.

I guess this whole thing has taught me that I should see things for what they are, not what I hope will be the outcome. I knew these people would greedily put the moped back into storage and proceed to start neglecting it again as soon as I rode up on it. but I took it upon myself to fix it anyway. I hoped it would work out that I would keep the bike, but knew deep down it wouldn't. Why do I do shit like this? You guess is as good as mine.

Anyway, please confirm where to send donations. Respect.

Oh and i put on a fuel filter. I couldn't find the briggs and stratton one at wally world, but they did have about 25,000 diferent kinds of that weedwhacker plastic string stuff. Fuck them anyway.

I used another kind that I got at autozone. it did not come with hose, but it wan onlt two bucks. Worked great. I could feel better pickup almost immediately after cleaning the fuel line and installing the filter. it was clear so you could see all the filth geting trapped inside. pretty cool.

It was a Maxpower Precision Parts brand 1/4" in-line fuel filter, part #4283.

Hope you liked my story, maybe Ill see you all again if I get another ped. Im sorry, if I ever get one. I feel like I desrve one.

one consolation is that the guy(who weighs like 200+) will definitely burn up that thing with the quickness, and when he calls me to help him fix it, i'll be nowhere to be found.

I will check back though to see where to send donations.

Thanks agin for all your GENEROUS help. I will not soon forget it.

CHUCH!!!!!!

please feel free to comment or ask any questions.

Re:tailight thanks

here is the deal, you have $20, send $10 in to help out the site, keep the other $10 and go to the junkyard and find a bike, work on it and get it running, then buy another, keep working on them till you get good, then you can either buy bikes to fix and sell, or just fix others bikes for a good chunk of change

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if you send 10 and keep ten to find a bike. i will send at least 20 in any parts you may need.

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so where do I send the money? I dunno about saving half of it for another ped. I'm not sure I want to hear the word moped anytime soon. Anyway I have two cars I gotta fix anyway, so its cool. This ordeal taught me some valuable lessons. Anyway you know what they say; The best revenge is living well. Here's to all real moped heads!!!!

Re: just got my first moped...but it doesnt run

Check this link for how to donate to the site:

http://www.mopedarmy.com/inc/main/why_ads.php

Tough break with those people though man, they don't deserve a ped (especially a nice one!). Being in Chicago it shouldn't be too hard to get a used ped for very little money if you're willing to work on it more. Peds are such simple machines too :)

Anway, good luck to you.

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