FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

welp, gotta clean out my garage (gets smaller and smaller every day for some reason)

bought from a guy who bought them from the original owner, OG was an aircraft mechanic in colorado, moved here in 1995, and had them stored ever since.

he wanted to restore them and got the red one almost finished up, but it still needs a few things (headlight needs to get wired, probably other things)

pretty rare bikes, they made them for a year or 2 before replacing it with the PC50, also the last "Wing Wheel" bike Honda ever made. (motors part of the wheel, kewl)

ALTERNATORS WORK ON BOTH! huge plus right here, i can pedal both and it'll light up!

the red one has a new piston, i did a valve job on it, but it needs to have the flywheel timed (don't have said tools for it) but it'll runs after that!

blue one runs on spray!! miss carb, and throttle, among other things (being a 50+ years old bike)

HAVE FRONT RACKS AND PARTS FOR BOTH. (ignition coil, old piston, partz)

MN TITLED AND PLATED!! huge one here, good luck finding another one with a title, let alone 2!

PRICE:

asking 1200$ for the pair W/parts OR

asking 800$ for the red one, and 650$ for the blue one (edited)

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Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

Michael Domanski /

Good luck with your sale price is right on. Try listing on the P50 FB page

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

mark voznyuk /

> Michael Domanski Wrote:

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> Good luck with your sale price is right on. Try listing on the P50 FB

> page

thanks! didn't really want to scab anyone too badly, as I've seen them go for over 2k a pop sometimes! and that is just crazy for a moped.

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

mark voznyuk /

here's a video from Honda themselves incase anyone cares.

youtube.com/watch?v=JDh0WtJDifc&t=9s&ab_channel=本田技研工業株式会社%28Honda%29

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

punkrock randy /

I fuckin love these old things and you’re making me miss MN badly:-( They’ll make someone very happy.

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

Those the ones from the guy in St Louis Park?

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

mark voznyuk /

> Stephen Keller Wrote:

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> Those the ones from the guy in St Louis Park?

Yup, there in pretty remarkable condition, i just couldn't pass them up at the time.

He didn't have any titles, both were missing spark (not surprising)

Cleaned the points on both,

Blue one fired right up on spray!

Red one needs the ignition timing figured out (i know cause i pulled the motor off like 4 times)

I did a valve job on the red one, (i thought the valve was leaking, it wasnt) now compression is bueno on both! Clutches and bearings are good on both, jackshafts seem fine, tires hold air (kinda)

Id bet with an afternoon and a couple of cold ones, you could get them driving, i just ain't got the time. (New dirtbike project, college and stuff)

Same reasons ill be selling the puch in a bout a month. (edited)

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

So cool! Good for you titling them....I wish I could justify making an offer on them...price is fair, but if they are not rider's I'm trying to stay away from them, they build up so fast! GLWS, I had a feeler on here for a carb, not much action, it's in b/s forum. I would about kill for a garage! :)

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

mark voznyuk /

> Stephen Keller Wrote:

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> So cool! Good for you titling them....I wish I could justify making an

> offer on them...price is fair, but if they are not rider's I'm trying to

> stay away from them, they build up so fast! GLWS, I had a feeler on here

> for a carb, not much action, it's in b/s forum. I would about kill for a

> garage! :)

Yeah, im very fortunate to have one, although that means more projects and even more money lol.

Blue one is a carb swap away from a runner, honestly looks like you might be a able to fit a z50 intake and carb? Not sure though. Its basically a very early gy6/trail 50 motor, same tech just older.

Most complex thing about it is the gear reducer, which is 3 jackshaft and gear mated to a centrifugal clutch.

Also the valve springs are super light, i think this was done on purpose as a rev limiter (i think they float at around 5500?)

Super cool design though, id say its more of a slow classic rather than a supermoto (edited)

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

I want one of these very badly. If anyone can help get these to nyc let me know

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

mark voznyuk /

> Nick johnson upjet Wrote:

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> I want one of these very badly. If anyone can help get these to nyc let

> me know

I could possibly ship them, although ill have to do some research and get ya some estimates, i think there bout 100lbs a piece?

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

> mark voznyuk Wrote:

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> > So cool! Good for you titling them....I wish I could justify making an

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> > offer on them...price is fair, but if they are not rider's I'm trying

> to

>

> > stay away from them, they build up so fast! GLWS, I had a feeler on

> here

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> > for a carb, not much action, it's in b/s forum. I would about kill for

> a

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> > garage! :)

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> Yeah, im very fortunate to have one, although that means more projects

> and even more money lol.

>

> Blue one is a carb swap away from a runner, honestly looks like you

> might be a able to fit a z50 intake and carb? Not sure though. Its

> basically a very early gy6/trail 50 motor, same tech just older.

>

> Most complex thing about it is the gear reducer, which is 3 jackshaft

> and gear mated to a centrifugal clutch.

>

> Also the valve springs are super light, i think this was done on purpose

> as a rev limiter (i think they float at around 5500?)

>

> Super cool design though, id say its more of a slow classic rather than

> a supermoto

They are not fast,that I know. I just love the weird factor!

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

mark voznyuk /

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> > Blue one is a carb swap away from a runner, honestly looks like you

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> > might be a able to fit a z50 intake and carb? Not sure though. Its

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> > basically a very early gy6/trail 50 motor, same tech just older.

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> > Most complex thing about it is the gear reducer, which is 3 jackshaft

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> > and gear mated to a centrifugal clutch.

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> > Also the valve springs are super light, i think this was done on

> purpose

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> > as a rev limiter (i think they float at around 5500?)

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> > Super cool design though, id say its more of a slow classic rather

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> They are not fast,that I know. I just love the weird factor!

Yup, me too,

You know what else is cool? The taillights were manufactured by Stanley for honda in 1967 for this bike, i checked and my 2017 honda accord brake light is made by the same manufacture nearly 60 years later!

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

mark voznyuk /

bump.

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

mark voznyuk /

damn, no one?

bump

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

I want....badly, but for now, no where to store, and had no luck locating another carb... :( If I can figure out storage, you will be the first to know! Now should you get one in riding condition, lights runs well etc....

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

mark voznyuk /

> Stephen Keller Wrote:

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> I want....badly, but for now, no where to store, and had no luck

> locating another carb... :( If I can figure out storage, you will be the

> first to know! Now should you get one in riding condition, lights runs

> well etc....

yeah, probably will over my spring break. currently no time at all.

the price will probably go up if I get one/or both running and driving.

also got a kewl 50cc (with a 73cc kit) Ducati 6spd motor i gotta get going.

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

No worries, I would pay more if they were running/riding for sure! I need more toys like more holes in my head, but hey, you only live once! ;) They need batteries as well right? The covers for those are unobtanium, for less than mega$$$ but they plastics make the bikes, how much oil do these hold?

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

mark voznyuk /

> Stephen Keller Wrote:

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> No worries, I would pay more if they were running/riding for sure! I

> need more toys like more holes in my head, but hey, you only live once!

> ;) They need batteries as well right? The covers for those are

> unobtanium, for less than mega$$$ but they plastics make the bikes, how

> much oil do these hold?

Battery are a 6v system, doesn't need it for anything except if you really picky about lights dimming when idling.

Oil capacity, i want to say about 300ml? Ill have to check, but a a small bottle is good for multiple oil changes.

Im honestly thinking about putting the carb on the blue bike and get a cheapo 15$ throttle. Honestly only thing holding it back

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

Why not swap the throttle assembly from the red one on? OEM is best, ALWAYS, especially when dealing with Honda, if the battery is in the design it is necessary, yes it may run without it, as will a QT, but if you run it (QT) too long without one it will burn out the charge coil, all Japanese bikes in stock form are very balanced, everything is "just so" for a reason. Like an Express will run without a battery, but will blow the bulbs, the battery is there for a reason if only to buffer the voltage as rpm changes, and given the rarity of parts for these they are to be preserved at all costs. Just my thoughts after yrs of messing with these things and screwing them up and going back to stock! :) You have true antiques there my friend, treat them as such, and they will bring you more money in time when the right buyer see's that they are "right". These are not some run of the mill maxi. Not bitching at you, just sharing experience. Soichiro Honda knew what he was doing, even if he was a bit odd, those bikes are 4 stroke because he did not like the noise of a 2 stroke. Can you imagine Hobbit power in a light motor/wheel design like that?

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

mark voznyuk /

Yea, ill probably be throwing on a normal carb on the blue one as the OE carb is like 300$

See, i like to have fun with my antiques lol, I had a 1941"elgin" outboard, got it on trade and it was running good! At one point i made a custom pipe for it just for shits and giggles, actually kicked in pretty good 😆

Ended up selling it in a lot with a couple of other ones. After making it stock that is ;)

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

Or, swap the engine/wheel from Blue to Red with Red's carb...but more work and then they are not numbers matching, not that many would care...but a thought...what kind of tool is needed to time these? That may be easier to find than doing all the parts swapping? (edited)

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

You found an OE carb?!?

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

mark voznyuk /

For timing, i need a tool to hold the flywheel and crank in place to get a press fit (there's no key) and then just tighten it up!

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

mark voznyuk /

Well, had found one on eBay.

Cant find it now sadly, but it had the box and everything.

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

Tweaker trash /

> mark voznyuk Wrote:

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> For timing, i need a tool to hold the flywheel and crank in place to

> get a press fit (there's no key) and then just tighten it up!

You don’t need the tool

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

Duuuude, should have told me, would have bought it, and given it to you to make runners and taken it off the asking price, including your labor and all, parts for these are so hard to come by... you have the energy and I have the appreciation and money, lol. Once a Honda is right, if you know how to store a bike over winter, you never have to mess with them again so long as you don't beat them and run at least a tank or two a season through them, how are the tanks petcocks? This spring will mark the 23rd yr of first start every spring on my Hobbit... :) Sadly, I did not know it was you that bought these.

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> Tweaker trash Wrote:

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> > For timing, i need a tool to hold the flywheel and crank in place to

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> > get a press fit (there's no key) and then just tighten it up!

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> You don’t need the tool

? Do tell? Have you worked on one of these? (edited)

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

mark voznyuk /

bump

got a few messages but not really going anywhere.

Re: FS: Ramsey MN area pair of 1967 Honda p50's + box of parts

I grew up in Ramsey!, Hometown bump

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