Well I just brought them home. Only spent a few minutes checking them out. Moby appears to be seized. I don't know how to tell which engine it has. Side covers missing, one chain missing. tank rusty inside but bottom is solid. Seat is good, shows 1438 miles. My first thought is part it out. Solo turns over, very clean tank inside, shows 365 miles, covers say water cooled automatic but I think it's wrong. Will get a better look in the daylight. They're just gonna sit for now as my yellow Yamahopper is more important right now. Got 'em cheap and they're saved from the junkman.