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With many states "opening up" how many of you will be comfortable returning to stores, restaurants etc? It's so hard to know what to believe, the trumpian red-necks saying it's fine "live yer Life" and then the scientists and their models, which they say are not 100% accurate, but all show an increase in new cases and deaths....I tend to lean with the Scientists as they have nothing to lose where the politicians do? I intend to stockpile supplies over the summer in case there is a sudden spike in cases and we are forced into a more enforced shutdown come fall/winter? Selling off stuff and hoarding $, and getting all my vehicles in as good of shape as I can afford, again to avoid "needing" to go out if it gets worse, I hope it does not, and i'm totally wrong, but I want to be prepared if I'm not. I don't enjoy my job, but it is "essential", so going to try and stick with it for the sake of a continued income, and more importantly, keeping my excellent health coverage. But on the lookout for something I would enjoy more, but, no idea what the protocols for interviews even are right now? I would love to get back into delivery, but most places offer no benefits, so that is a last resort, even though I would really enjoy it, plus you will never go hungry, and lets face it, all we really "need" is enough to eat, and shelter, not all the luxury's most people see as "necessity's". I have ton's of sympathy for those who have lost their jobs, but at least from where I sit, there are still many to be had, (i'm on indeed, etc) maybe not ideal choices, but there is work avail....but all I know is what's in my state. I'm not a very social being, so 90% of my activity's are solitary, so I'm not very lonely, with the exception of getting to see my elderly parents, I want to see them, as they ARE social people and are lonely, but I don't dare, as I have to be out to go to work and the store, and could not live with myself if I got them sick...they have lived exemplary lives and do not deserve to go out with this shit. They have money and own their home, so don't "need" anything, and are intelligent enough to stay home, and in MN you are able to go outside without being on top of other people, so it is not like they are boarded up in a tiny apartment or nursing home. This whole situation is stressing me out, more than I like to admit, as I have survived countless situations that should have killed me, my youth and reflexes saved me, but those are faded, and you have no idea where you can pick this crud up from, just going about living can get you killed. What are your plans, concerns?

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Overpriced Parts /

Much dated and misinformation out there. Since this is all new to everybody the only thing a experts can make is a calculated guess.

This expert is good, she really clears the air on what we’re all supposed to do during this pandemic

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Its a big test or experiment(edited)

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> Overpriced Parts Wrote:

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> Much dated and misinformation out there. Since this is all new to

> everybody the only thing a experts can make is a calculated guess.

>

> This expert is good, she really clears the air on what we’re all

> supposed to do during this pandemic

>

>

^Lmfao...but really, what are you all going to do? I'm shooting for staying as safe as I can....keeping the zombie hours etc, to hell with the day-walkers, they will die first.

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> live ɘvil Wrote:

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> Its a big test or experiment

heard some chatter on this idea, but what I can't decide is to whose benefit the "results" will be?

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As much room as there is for funning on this post, really looking for honest opinions from you all, known many of you "virtually" for yrs now, and curious. I put my thoughts out there, more worried about my parents health than mine, though I'm vulnerable too.(edited)

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Overpriced Parts /
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I pay attention to who's screaming the loudest.

So far, here are the folks that say we need to reopen everything;

- Trump

- GOP politicians

- Billionaires

- FOX News

- An inarguably very small group of right wingers who have difficulty understanding science and have an even harder time with basic grammar.

I listen to doctors and talk to nurses from world-class institutions (not the RN's at some Appalachian walk-in clinic). I also completely ignore broadcast financial news (the DOW is entirely useless) or anyone who has their own TV show (liberal or conservative).

We've written off the summer completely as far as anything social is concerned and we're totally ok with that.

I have read a couple books in my relatively uneventful life and I firmly believe that "Past is prologue."

Basically humans are greedy and/or fucking stupid and I'm staying home until January.

Then when we finally leave the bunker, it will be my mission in life to form a new more perfect Union of like-minded states;

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

If everyone stays in place indefinitely there will be a drastic decrease in illness related deaths... which is great until the economy completely crashs because everyone is unemployeed, supply chains shut down, and the government can no longer sell debt to fund the bloated social programs. What Im saying is, we need to find the balance between social distancing and getting the economy turning again. The reality is that it is death to open up too soon but also death to leave it shut too long. At some point we need to reopen and that will lead to a spike in death, but we all must assume responsibility for ourselves and take calculated risks. The target is either a vaccine or herd immunity.

I plan to be a much bigger home body this summer / winter. I plan to limit some of my usual activities that would put me around larger crowds of people (avoid crowded parks, limit dining out, etc). I also plan to stock up on some supplies in anticipation for a likely 2nd surge in fall (bleach wipes, face masks, gloves, hand sanitizer). I do not intend to become a doomsday prepper by any means, but it would be nice to have a stock that would last 2-3 months. This whole ordeal has made me more aware of germs and I just generally plan to safe guard my family from it.

Im still trying to determine how to safely get back to yard-saling, flea markets, and swap meets. I love that stuff and miss it greatly, but Ill be a little paranoid this year. Wonder if Ill look odd wearing a mask and surgical gloves?

Also, i plan to murder any murder hornet i see. They are an invasive species and they need to die!

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"Also, i plan to murder any murder hornet i see. They are an invasive species and they need to die!"

The way japanese bees kill them is so rad. They sort of Voltron themselves around the murder hornets and vibrate at the same frequency which cooks them like an oven.

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Ok, back to serious stuff;

I think part of the debate stems from two different mindsets;

the hyper logic of a human life equaling a dollar amount and trying to solve the problem via an equation where absolute personal liberty and autonomy are hard variables.

and the more theatrical and emotional response of equating the current situation to a past war effort to unite the country toward a common good for all.

(sidenote: from a purely political perspective hypocrisy abounds. Especially if you apply these mindsets to say, abortion or guns.)

I think the balance you speak of is impossible without a stable fulcum. And we don't have one.

I'm not gonna blame people here because it was a person who led this slow rolling disaster and we all know who that is.

So in this time of distress it's perversely ironic how usually liberal states are invoking states rights and establishing new pacts and agreements with other nearby states (NY, NJ, CT, MA, RI, etc) while many others (FL, GA, AL, etc) are still circling the wagons in defense of the federal government's response.

Basically, we're fucked. The country is having a Vietnam-era- sized shift in consciousness and this isn't gonna be over for a LONG time.

I have no fucking clue where im going with any of this, im not even awake yet, and i need an editor badly.(edited)

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I’m sick of it. I’m so done with it. I live in an area with zero cases, and I also live in the state with the stupidest man that ever existed as governor.

I’ve taken precautions. I’ve followed (most of) the rules so far, but I’m done with this small business killing scamdemic. Hospitals and doctors are being paid to list deaths as Covid deaths. The doctors are lying. The government is lying. I don’t believe anything we are being told, on either side. But I am done complying. I will continue to be careful and use reasonable precautions, but I will not bow to this disease, and I will not live in fear.

Besides, pretty sure I already had the Rona a couple weeks ago. 102.5 fever, chills, strangely intense muscle pain, stomach cramping & diarrhea, headache; everything except a cough. It sucked for a few days, but it passed. I stayed home until I was well. Maybe it was the flu. Maybe not. Don’t really care, because it doesn’t matter. If you’re sick, stay home.

Oh, by the way, I’m extreme high risk too, with a severe genetic blood clotting disorder, orthostatic hypotension, weird heartbeat rhythm, and family heart disease. I smoked for 30 years but quit five years ago. Still smoke weed daily. Besides, from what I’ve read, scientific studies are showing the survival rate is between 98.8%-99.983%, but I’ve read so much that I can’t find the source now.

Bottom line- we’ve flattened the curve. We’ve slowed the spread. We are not going to stop it, until we develop herd immunity, and that won’t happen if we all cower and hide in fear. I will not take the vaccine- piss on Bill Gates. I will not conform, and you will never see me in a state quarantine facility. Don’t send contact tracers to my door.

Quit listening to the news. Quit listening to government. Read, research, and think for yourself. Several on here cannot seem to figure out this simple concept, and swallow the media’s whole load of shit.

“Quarantine is isolation of the sick. Tyranny is isolation of the healthy.“

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"I will not take the vaccine- piss on Bill Gates"

You sir, are an idiot.

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Fun thing is, all those conspiracy nuts that think Bill Gates is up to no good most likely identify themselves as republicans.

I believe that there is nothing more republican than using your own money to solve problems so the government doesn't have to solve them.

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> Bas Autowas Wrote:

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> "I will not take the vaccine- piss on Bill Gates"

>

> You sir, are an idiot.

Ha!

You sir, are quite the comedian. And entertaining as hell, I might add! I laugh at you daily. Thanks for the entertainment value you’ve added to my life. Don’t stop!

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> Bas Autowas Wrote:

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> Fun thing is, all those conspiracy nuts that think Bill Gates is up to

> no good most likely identify themselves as republicans.

>

> I believe that there is nothing more republican than using your own

> money to solve problems so the government doesn't have to solve them.

Thing is, as a retired Union man, I used to vote Democrat exclusively. They WERE a strong party. They WERE the working man’s party. Bill Clinton is the last Democrat I ever voted for. Now, the Democrat party isn’t even recognizable. It’s disgusting what it has become. Literally disgusting. I don’t alway vote Republican, but I never vote socialist. You can keep it; it’s not welcome here.

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Socialism is still the lesser of two evils. The current republican party is about the biggest monstrosity I've ever seen. If you're ideas align with the evil turtle man and his orange puppet your ideas might just be evil too.

The republican party doesn't give a shit about you if you're not a millionaire and they are dumping all your tax money into the pockets of big corporations, tax money has to go back to the people.

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I didn’t want Trump for Pres, but he’s who we’ve got. We’ve had way worse, including his predecessor. But Trump is a whole bunch better than Billary; we dodged a bullet there. I don’t align my views or morals with any politicians. I know how to read, research, and think for myself. I’ve seen and experienced enough in my life that I have a pretty good idea what’s going on around me. But I learn something new everyday, and sometimes I’m even wrong. So while I sometimes vote republican, I’m more anti-establishment than anything. Big government is the problem, not party affiliation.

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

Big government is the problem, not party affiliation.

Finally someone gets it!! Screw these parties and screw big government!

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"I know how to read, research, and think for myself."

lol

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> Jimmy Cincinnati Wrote:

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> Big government is the problem, not party affiliation.

>

> Finally someone gets it!! Screw these parties and screw big government!

Big corporations are the problem, not big government. There is plenty of money to go around but there is one political party that is completely controlled by big corporations and that gives all the money to the big corporations in stead of the people.

Also, someone that says "i piss on Bill gates" apparently has the mental capacity of Alex Jones, and if you are not on crack like Alex Jones you've got even bigger problems.

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Dirty30 Dillon /

"There have been zero reported cases in my area....

I am pretty sure I had it 2 weeks ago"

Ya see, that is the problem. There are cases everywhere that are going undocumented. Where did you get it from if there are no cases in the area? Obviously that area is more rural than metropolitan, so that makes it even more suspect on how insidious this is going to get over the coming years.

Again, not everyone will die. But by minimizing the spread we can offer people at high risk the chance to avoid death.

I live in Brooklyn and work in Manhattan, as does my significant other. We are both essential personnel. We have lost an immediate family member to this virus. We wear masks anytime we travel in public, a la subway, streets, buses. My SO works at NY Presbyterian whose morgue is rated to hold 7 people, has been fluctuating between 50-70 corpses for the past month. NY is seeing a flattening of the curve, but NJ and other border states are seeing higher and higher amounts now as the ripple effect takes place.

I admit that it is different in other places, but giving first hand experience of what it has been like here in NYC should be a cautionary tale. If this starts picking up pockets in other cities as people attempt to return to normal, this will go on through winter and into flu season.

I also agree that we cannot sustain indefinitely, but everything must be tempered. If you are a small business owner and are able to re-enter economically, do so with every pre-caution for your staff and customer/clinet base. In reality, it's using common sense. I just wish the majority's common sense were enough to outweigh there self-concern and idiotic pride.

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

Big corporations are the problem, not big government.

Cant the problem be both???

Big corporations are a problem because of the "play ground" big government has made for them. Corrupt tax code & regulations that only benefit the wealthy to name a few. Bezo's would be a wealthy man right now but at a drastically reduced rate if he actually played by the rules that us middle & lower classer's live by.

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> Dirty30 Dillon Wrote:

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> Ya see, that is the problem. There are cases everywhere that are going

> undocumented.

Even here not everyone is tested and all "official deaths" are people that died because of Corona in a hospital. "Regular death tolls" have been about 50% higher right now than they are usually, so you can safely assume that's also the case in the US where people cannot afford to go to a hospital.

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> Jimmy Cincinnati Wrote:

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> Big corporations are the problem, not big government.

>

> Cant the problem be both???

>

> Big corporations are a problem because of the "play ground" big

> government has made for them. Corrupt tax code & regulations that only

> benefit the wealthy to name a few. Bezo's would be a wealthy man right

> now but at a drastically reduced rate if he actually played by the rules

> that us middle & lower classer's live by.

If only there was a political party that wants fair taxation on the super wealthy and big corporations...

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

If only there was a political party that wants fair taxation on the super wealthy and big corporations...

I just dont agree with your assessment of fair taxation, and i feel the problem has to do with companies / wealthy not actually paying taxes.

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> Jimmy Cincinnati Wrote:

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> If only there was a political party that wants fair taxation on the

> super wealthy and big corporations...

>

> I just dont agree with your assessment of fair taxation, and i feel the

> problem has to do with companies / wealthy not actually paying taxes.

If you earn millions a year just paying 50% tax on each million you earn above a certain amount seems pretty fair to me. People are dying because they can't afford healthcare but someone with tens of millions shouldn't pay some taxes?

For big corporations it's just a matter of closing all the loopholes, but i'm damn shure there's one political party severely opposed to that.

Over here liberals are actually liberal (i.e. right-wing nuts) and our shitty liberal president wanted to get rid of the dividend tax to help his already rich friends, we as a country opposed this and his evil plan was foiled.

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

If you earn millions a year just paying 50% tax on each million you earn above a certain amount seems pretty fair to me.

Why is that fair? Lets assume this millionaire did not exploit a legal system but actually accrued his wealth through voluntary transactions... he provided a good or service that consumers purchased (he improved their quality of life in some way shape or form). Why is he subject to a higher tax rate percentage?

Now getting back to big corrupt business... i agree. They are not paying their fair share of taxes. Like you mentioned, close down the loop holes.

For big corporations it's just a matter of closing all the loopholes, but i'm damn shure there's one political party severely opposed to that.

I think your running away from one evil party and running into the arms of another corrupt party. We can debate which one is worse but in the end they both suck.

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humans are a nano blip in the grand scheme. not a bad read but useless to me. opinions are like ass holes erbody got one, but erbody thinks theirs dont stink. useless debate away my friends. the shit will hit the fan. its coming closer er day hope yall are ready......byeeeee

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> Jimmy Cincinnati Wrote:

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> Why is that fair? Lets assume this millionaire did not exploit a legal

> system but actually accrued his wealth through voluntary transactions...

> he provided a good or service that consumers purchased (he improved

> their quality of life in some way shape or form). Why is he subject to a

> higher tax rate percentage?

>

> I think your running away from one evil party and running into the arms

> of another corrupt party. We can debate which one is worse but in the

> end they both suck.

A bracketed taxation system is fair because wealth creates wealth. Poor people have just enough to get by, rich people just need to worry about what boat they're going to buy next. Which of these two groups can afford to be taxed a little higher?

It's not like rich people would stop trying to make money because they have to pay some more tax.

And just because you think the democratic party is corrupt, it still isn't nearly as corrupt as the current republican administration, it's about choosing whats best and less corrupt is still better than more corrupt.

I'm an actual socialist, something which is rare even in my country, so i also don't agree with the democratic party's positions when they're in the line of people like Biden, but still he is not as bad as that orange goblin.

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