Re: Push for 15% Ethanol in Gas approved by Feds

Graham Motzing /
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> Born to be WillD Wrote:

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> From where I've found the biggest variation or conflict with the DOE

> estimates is the land use factor.

Yeah like i said i'd have to go through it all again to speak intelligently but what i was reading was saying that the amount of carbon byproduct or perhaps it was a more wholistic greenhouse gas emissions thing (methane, etc) due to the production of fertilizer was significantly off.

I really don't care as much about the environmental implication, my conclusion at the time was that it was give-or-take a break even on carbon and essentially shifting the location of the emissions from population dense areas to population less dense areas (which IMO is a legit approach to pollution mitigation when it comes to most air quality emissions)

BUT

It drives me nuckin' futz as a 'conservative' to think that huge sums of tax dollars are being thrown into a fire that essentially just propagates a very unsustainable industrial agriculture model, and ultimately ends up in the hands of big ag business like monsanto, etc.

i'm not a total wingnut libertarian that thinks you shouldn't need a licence to drive a car or that crazy shit, but i do have the controversial opinion that if gov't money is going to be spent, it should go to things that generally benefit the citizenry. Even if they were doing the same program but said you had to use non-fossil fuel synthesized fertilizers or practice sustainable ag, or grow one of the switchgrass/elephant grasses that actually do a much better job of pulling carbon out of the atmosphere, i would be a lot more for it. The way the program works right now its 110% a total boondoggle.

but just like everything else, a lot of entrenched business, jobs (all those people at monsanto, adm, john deere, cargill, etc) is based on the current model so its unlikely to change.

lucky for me out here in the sticks i can still buy E0 and i do, its all that goes in my cans for stuff around the house.

some of the stuff that i've been getting into lately with soil biology has been really blowing my mind in the context of all that.

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