Hong Kong

screw it i'll make a thread.

yall see what's going on there? thoughts? why isnt the US media reporting it?

does it not fit the "you dont need guns, trust your government" narrative? haha i work for the gvnt (civ, non-mil, not a contractor) and hell i dont trust em

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49317695

fuck vox btw. (side note, might piss a lot of you here off that i dont hate trump )

https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/10/23/20927577/apple-hong-kong-protest-app-democracy

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/world/asia/what-are-hong-kong-protests-about.html

excerp from the NYtimes link:

In February, the local government introduced a bill, since scrapped, that would have allowed people accused of crimes to be sent to places with which Hong Kong had no extradition treaty — including mainland China, where the courts are controlled by the Communist Party. Mrs. Lam argued that the bill was needed to guarantee justice in cases like a man who was accused of killing his girlfriend in Taiwan, then evaded prosecution by fleeing to Hong Kong. Critics said the bill would allow Beijing to target dissidents in Hong Kong with phony charges, exposing activists to China’s opaque legal system.

Hundreds of thousands of people, including elderly residents and families with children, joined a peaceful march to oppose the bill on June 9. But on June 12, the discussion and demands changed when the police used pepper spray, batons and more than 150 canisters of tear gas to disperse thousands of protesters, a small number of whom had thrown projectiles at the police.

Irate at the police response, protesters demanded an independent investigation of the police force — a demand leaders have refused. Anger toward the police has grown precipitously since then, as has violence on both sides.

>>>>> this is why guns are important. it's bigger then the gun argument but like... open your eyes.

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Alexandro Ramirez-Nagy /

This is gonna explode so fast

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If the people of Hong Kong had guns this would have been huge massacre with tens of thousands of civilians killed. Yay guns!

Also, when there's riots or protests in the US would you applaud it if people started shooting the riot police? (edited)

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> Bas Autowas Wrote:

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> If the people of Hong Kong had guns this would have been huge massacre

> with tens of thousands of civilians killed. Yay guns!

>

> Also, when there's riots or protests in the US would you applaud it if

> people started shooting the riot police?

haaaaa

if our government was trying to do what HK's gvnt is doing, yeah... i would actually. read up, it's really fucked up

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Hongkongs government is doing what the Chinese government tells them to do. Just like your government does what the Russians tell them to do.

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LOL

for someone that doesnt live in the US you care an awfully lot and have many strong feelings

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this thread is for hong kong. please dont de-rail it for your distaste on the US or trump. there are plenty of other threads for that....

i suggest however you work on your own jank country laws,, some of these seem pretty controversial

https://www.expatica.com/nl/about/gov-law-admin/25-unbelievable-dutch-laws-that-exist-today-1110960/

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> Chris Szuba Wrote:

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> this thread is for hong kong. please dont de-rail it for your distaste

> on the US or trump. there are plenty of other threads for that....

>

> i suggest however you work on your own jank country laws,, some of these

> seem pretty controversial

>

> https://www.expatica.com/nl/about/gov-law-admin/25-unbelievable-dutch-laws-that-exist-today-1110960/

First of all, why do you care so much about Hongkong whilst i am not allowed to care about what happens in other countries according to you?

Second, except for the pregnant canal peeing, i don't see any weird laws in that very poorly written piece.

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> Bas Autowas Wrote:

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> > Chris Szuba Wrote:

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> > this thread is for hong kong. please dont de-rail it for your distaste

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> > on the US or trump. there are plenty of other threads for that....

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> > i suggest however you work on your own jank country laws,, some of

> these

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> > seem pretty controversial

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> https://www.expatica.com/nl/about/gov-law-admin/25-unbelievable-dutch-laws-that-exist-today-1110960/

>

> First of all, why do you care so much about Hongkong whilst i am not

> allowed to care about what happens in other countries according to you?

>

> Second, except for the pregnant canal peeing, i don't see any weird laws

> in that very poorly written piece.

well... it's a thread on hong kong, not the US. go bash my country in an appropriate thread. the no house sharing is pretty bullshit, but we can start a sucky netherlands thread and discuss there

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I need to clean and lube my pistol.

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> Chris Szuba Wrote:

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> > First of all, why do you care so much about Hongkong whilst i am not

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> > allowed to care about what happens in other countries according to

> you?

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> >

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> > Second, except for the pregnant canal peeing, i don't see any weird

> laws

>

> > in that very poorly written piece.

>

> well... it's a thread on hong kong, not the US. go bash my country in an

> appropriate thread. the no house sharing is pretty bullshit, but we can

> start a sucky netherlands thread and discuss there

Bas has nothing to say about rights and freedom. He can't get a jury trial if he's accused. A Judge decides it......HaHaHaaaaa! Like to be fighting for your freedom in THAT country? LOL!

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> Don Ohio Wrote:

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> Bas has nothing to say about rights and freedom. He can't get a jury

> trial if he's accused. A Judge decides it......HaHaHaaaaa! Like to be

> fighting for your freedom in THAT country? LOL!

I would not want to live in a country where a bunch of nobody's with no legal experience whatsoever decide over my punishment.

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Overpriced Parts /

Just another territory the UK/England has lost, they are nothing the size of their former self

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Most times after UK rule is through things go bad, it’s a shame but the territories and countries want to be independent like they should but they just can’t handle it and most end up being worse off,

England’s 156 year rule was up in 1997 and Hong Kong was reverted to China and that’s that.

In dictatorship China you can’t own property and then will it/leave it to your surviving relatives it goes back to the government after 70 years, no free speech/talk against the government and you're locked up and “Inciting subversion of state power laws apply”

"Anyone who uses rumor, slander or other means to encourage subversion of the political power of the State or to overthrow the socialist system, shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not more than five years. However, the ringleaders and anyone whose crime is monstrous shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not less than five years."[1] your organs could be sold,

Loss of human rights, dictatorship/big government countries that’s what you get,

I don’t know why but almost half our country wants to be like that with Big government, free everything/Government control:

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

the no house sharing is pretty bullshi

Yeah it is

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

the no house sharing is pretty bullshi

I agree

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> Bas Autowas Wrote:

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> > Don Ohio Wrote:

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> > Bas has nothing to say about rights and freedom. He can't get a jury

>

> > trial if he's accused. A Judge decides it......HaHaHaaaaa! Like to be

>

> > fighting for your freedom in THAT country? LOL!

>

> I would not want to live in a country where a bunch of nobody's with no

> legal experience whatsoever decide over my punishment.

They're not a bunch of NOBODY'S, DEPLORABLES, SMELLY Wal mart shoppers,etc(you sound exactly like Hillary,LOL!)…………………………...but they ARE your peers, Bas. They don't have to have legal experience,but just life experience.

In this country we are innocent until proven guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, and a jury unanimously says that is the case.

A judge? You can't trust just one legal person to get it right.

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haha yeah i dunno man, you ever sit on jury duty? they always send me home, they only want the dumbest possible people with no critical thinking or common sense. your fate is being determined by 12 people too dumb to get out of jury duty.

whats sad is that we have such an adversarial relationship with the government. its our government, people point to evidence from totalitarian regimes for why the government is bad... then in the same breath condone the current president who is doing everything in his power (and many things outside his power) to make this country more totalitarian and un-democratic.

i've heard a lot of so called conservatives speaking out against hong kong democracy protesters, trump himself who despite being very anti-china, seems to be pro-oppression in this case. Pretty much anyone who comes out Pro-Beijing smells like a rat, people who are scared of democracy and freedom. There used to be a time that our leaders at least played lipservice to the idea of international democracy and people overthrowing authoritarian regimes. The narrative and the cult of trump is so strong that you have people with 'don't tread on me' flags agreeing with him when he sides with communist china and russia against democracy and autonomy in Syria and Hong Kong... pretty fucked up.

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^this. I sat on the jury, they wanted people who were pro police to the grave. But the case I was on was a sting operation in a Fred Meyer, fuck that. I don’t see justice in creating a situation where you turn someone into a criminal, then hauling them downtown, locking them up, forcing them to pay for a bail they can’t afford, setting up a criminal hearing, and then potentially fining and jailing them more for stealing things they very well could need to survive. The whole criminal justice system is purely a for profit organization meant to keep the poor and minorities powerless and scared. When the prosecution gave me the boot I skipped out of the court so fast.

Chris is stupid and knows absolutely nothing about global politics. At least Ken realizes the correlation between colonialism and tumultuous social movements in the modern era.

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> Overpriced Parts Wrote:

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> Just another territory the UK/England has lost, they are nothing the

> size of their former self

>

> Most times after UK rule is through things go bad, it’s a shame but the

> territories and countries want to be independent like they should but

> they just can’t handle it and most end up being worse off,

>

> England’s 156 year rule was up in 1997 and Hong Kong was reverted to

> China and that’s that.

>

> In dictatorship China you can’t own property and then will it/leave it

> to your surviving relatives it goes back to the government after 70

> years, no free speech/talk against the government and you're locked up

> and “Inciting subversion of state power laws apply”

>

> "Anyone who uses rumor, slander or other means to encourage subversion

> of the political power of the State or to overthrow the socialist

> system, shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not more than

> five years. However, the ringleaders and anyone whose crime is monstrous

> shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not less than five

> years."[1] your organs could be sold,

>

> Loss of human rights, dictatorship/big government countries that’s what

> you get,

>

> I don’t know why but almost half our country wants to be like that with

> Big government, free everything/Government control:

> >

Great post,Ken, and truer words were never smoked. Socialism,communism, are failures for their peoples.

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we live in a socialist society now, its working out pretty good.

Ken and Don are both getting paid by the government to sit on computers and type about how much they hate socialism.

I LOVE IT!

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

The whole criminal justice system is purely a for profit organization meant to keep the poor and minorities powerless and scared.

How can you say things like this then in the next breath support big government and more regulation??? You believe in banning guns but also think the system that would do the regulating is completely corrupt???

Ken and Don are both getting paid by the government to sit on computers and type about how much they hate socialism.

Are they really tho? I mean, they paid into the system for years so shouldn't they be allow to get their money back? We can debate whether social security is good or not but its not like the money they are now getting just poofed out of thin air...

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We are capitalists and proud of it. Invasion of socialism is a real threat to liberty and the pursuit of HAPPINESS.

I think I'll take off for the firing range now. Got another thousand rounds that need expending. Practice makes perferct! LOL!

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> Jimmy Cincinnati Wrote:

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> Ken and Don are both getting paid by the government to sit on computers

> and type about how much they hate socialism.

>

> Are they really tho? I mean, they paid into the system for years so

> shouldn't they be allow to get their money back? We can debate whether

> social security is good or not but its not like the money they are now

> getting just poofed out of thin air...

I believe you already answered your own question, Jimmy. Hopefully, I just helped you to connect those dots.

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

I believe you already answered your own question, Jimmy. Hopefully, I just helped you to connect those dots.

DId I? I think social security is a deep rooted issue lined with good intentions. I like the idea of a safety net but Im not sure we are on a moral path with our current venture. So again what im getting out, Social Security regardless of whether it is moral or not, Ken & Don have paid into the system for far longer than they are withdrawing from it so they are essentially getting their money (labor earnings) back.

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> Jimmy Cincinnati Wrote:

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> I believe you already answered your own question, Jimmy. Hopefully, I

> just helped you to connect those dots.

>

> DId I? I think social security is a deep rooted issue lined with good

> intentions. I like the idea of a safety net but Im not sure we are on a

> moral path with our current venture. So again what im getting out,

> Social Security regardless of whether it is moral or not, Ken & Don have

> paid into the system for far longer than they are withdrawing from it so

> they are essentially getting their money (labor earnings) back.

Thanks,Jimmy! Yeah.paid in for almost 50 years. Don't feel a BIT guilty about drawing SS now.

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I agree the hong kong situation is important. There are numerous take-aways, however I fail to agree that armed resistance is the ideal course of action.

So far, the mostly nonviolent protest has been met with general support for hong kong, not china, from other countries and world leaders. The transparently govt thug assaults and police brutality against protesters and efforts to silence it's discussion within china give the protesters more credibility. I do not believe that they would be more successful or safer were they heavily armed, and in fact I think their cause would be less well received and they'd be suffering much worse casualties. As is, without actively shooting hundreds of police, they've managed to achieve several initial goals, and continue to push for their rights. as an example, the violent resistance by armed militias in Xinjiang have led to those parties being labeled as terrorist groups and resulted in far worse internment and casualties.

But i'm curious, would you support foreign interference? Should we be actively interjecting in Hong Kong, or passively acting? or just being more aware? It has led to some boycotts of US companies that have chosen to side with mainland China for business reasons, and the US-HK policy act just last week.

Or further, if people needed to flee from government oppression and fear for their safety, would you be willing to resettle them, or at least grant visas for temporary refuge in the US? It's a tricky one because those people would be labeled (by china) as violent criminals, whether or not they were...

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when everybody pays money to the government, then that money gets pooled, and some of it gets given back to some people based on their status (being old, poor, etc) that is what socialism is. like, literally, that is the definition.

you shouldn't feel bad, but you also shouldn't bitch about socialism when you're the one cashing the check.

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You are very mistaken. Socialism is a way of Gov't, NOT a way of assuring income for old or disabled.

Socialism fails its people.

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> Don Ohio Wrote:

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> Thanks,Jimmy! Yeah.paid in for almost 50 years. Don't feel a BIT guilty

> about drawing SS now.

Ayn Rand also drew SS.

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She had it right in this famous quote of hers. Hope the link works.

https://www.azquotes.com/author/12074-Ayn_Rand (edited)

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