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Nuh-uh!!! My experience is better than yours and you dont have any!

Folks arent even arguing with you, just trying to provide a balanced opinion that says hey new cars do have some merits worth appreciating too.

Like I love mopeds, a modern scooter is way more money and a pain in the dick to work on. But i can admit they're way less likely to need work, have more storage, more stock power, better efficiency and better brakes and all the handy safety of good lights and signals. Does that mean I want one? Nah, but i cant just outright dismiss em as total shit either.

I mean maybe you didnt want a balanced 2-sided conversation about those good aspects and just needed a safe space to gripe about aluminum, and I'm sorry for not recognizing that

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I've acknowledged that new cars make more power

But the fact remains they are disposable pieces of junk that may require less maintenance but when the major repairs hit they're sent to the junkyard because they're shit and that's where they belong.

About 20years is what you get if you're lucky......tick tock fanboys polish your turds while you can...

And let's once again gloss over that new cars provide an unsmooth ride

Plus they look horrible too.

I think the new cars have retarded headlights that fog up and they are very expensive to replace, sometimes fanboys polish them though...idk retarded stuff.

Evap systems are dumb and require big money to fix when it goes out...

TPMS is dumb and always throws a light.

I can think of more but I am dealing with retarded fanboys who don't understand that their beloved modern cars are cheaply made garbage destined for the junkyard.

Denial is the first stage fanboys, then there are 4 more layers of grief ahead when you figure out your new car is shit!

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Also many of the larger displacement engines would go for hundreds of thousands of miles and run for many decades before needing to be repaired.

And when the time comes the engines are easy to pull and rebuild.

Same with transmissions on the older cars.

Late 1970s was the high water mark... after that the shit got worse and worse

Today we have shitmobiles and fanboys

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

I love the passion that is pooped out in this thread. Lets change "new cars" to "cancer" and we will make some real progress for a change!

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Here is a video explaining the head gasket issue for the fanboys and techies...

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> Jimmy Cincinnati Wrote:

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> I love the passion that is pooped out in this thread. Lets change "new

> cars" to "cancer" and we will make some real progress for a change!

Yers,just as cancer is very ugly, so are almost all new cars! Good illustration!

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Andrew Squiggman /

> Jimmy Cincinnati Wrote:

> -------------------------------------------------------

> I love the passion that is pooped out in this thread. Lets change "new

> cars" to "cancer" and we will make some real progress for a change!

Don't bring windmills into this

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Dirty30 Dillon /

This draws a lot of parallels with the industry I work in: TV/Film/Production Lighting

"I hate LED lights, I want my stage to be lit with reliable, serviceable incandescent. I don't care if LED technology gives me temperature and color changing as well as practical effects, LED's are too complicated and if they fail I can't just replace the bulb."

Not accepting and weighing the advantages and disadvantages of each, and just blinding regurgitating opinions found on YouTube because "I have done xxxxxx a thousand times and i know, but you sound like you don't know," is ignorant bullshit.

If you can't work on a new car, then you are a bad mechanic. If you can only work on one type of car because they are "better," than you are a bad mechanic.

There is a difference between being a specialist (in terms of working on old cars), and hiding behind falsehoods because you won't or can't progress your skillset.

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If the cars have head gaskets that fail.....it's a bad car

If essential components are buried in the dash and hell to get to....it's a bad car

If shitty plastic and rubber parts buried in the engine fail and cause it to wind up in a junkyard......guess what....It's a bad car!!

People always try and blame the old mechanics for the new car's faults....sure you can find someone willing to tolerate the abuse and fight tooth and nail to fix the new modern shit mobile.... You'll pay for it..or the piece of shit winds up in the junkyard...why...because it's a bad car!!

They aren't designed to hold up to age, just miles for a decade or so...then off to the junkyards they go..

And the fanboys love it, and are actually supportive of this nonsense!!

And another thing this quote

"If you can't work on a new car, then you are a bad mechanic. If you can only work on one type of car because they are "better," than you are a bad mechanic.

There is a difference between being a specialist (in terms of working on old cars), and hiding behind falsehoods because you won't or can't progress your skillset."

The Fanboys and techies here arguing haven't done much actual work on old and new cars....you argue with me based on what?? Certainly not experience.....Now you call us bad mechanics, lol!!

Ironically you are the ones regurgitating the nonsense! Because your experience is lacking, where else are you getting your views from? Anecdotal experiences, fellow dbag ramblings....nonsense.

FUCK NEW CARS

Fuck their numerous problems that are much more difficult to repair than they should be due to planned obsolescence and jerk off fanboys buying that crap....If the consumer was smarter this shit wouldn't exist.....but no they buy it, then argue how it will somehow defy physics and last for years like the older cars will......then idiots try and tell me that if you don't want to go through hell due to the bad designs you're a bad mechanic.......fuck that nonsense!!!

I can repair old and new cars and have many times and I am here to say the new cars are shit! You've bought into consumerism and watched some videos touting the advancements of the new cars.......

It's not the tech we hate, it's the chickenshit cheap assed Planned obsolence Rip Off Mobiles We hate......Let that sink in Douchers!

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Dirty30 Dillon /

Thomas, sounds like maybe some remedial courses in automobile repair would help you out so you could work on cars as well as the 21 year-old member of every graduating class of any technical high school throughout the United States.

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I can repair old and new cars... Doing so is what has given me the non consumer view of the modern automobile..

It's the ones who haven't done any work on both that can't understand why they are shit..

It's ok your beloved douche mobile will be in the junkyard soon... tick tock

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Dirty30 Dillon /

> Thomas Davis Wrote:

> -------------------------------------------------------

> I can repair old and new cars... Doing so is what has given me the non

> consumer view of the modern automobile..

>

> It's the ones who haven't done any work on both that can't understand

> why they are shit..

>

> It's ok your beloved douche mobile will be in the junkyard soon... tick

> tock

I found this great program for you:

https://www.sfcc.edu/programs/automotive-technology/

These hands-on classes will show you that you don't need to be worried about working on things with pesky computers and scary plastic.

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And those young men graduating those vocational schools are so deep in debt between the college and the snap on tool selling losers......

They will work on anything and subject their body to abuse due to bad engineering happily.

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Don't worry Dillon you can't defend the design of the new cars so you attack the mechanic..

Great strategy!

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Dirty30 Dillon /

> Thomas Davis Wrote:

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> Don't worry Dillon you can't defend the design of the new cars so you

> attack the mechanic..

>

> Great strategy!

"Mechanic"

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Yet you say nothing when it comes to design...

Moron

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Dirty30 Dillon /

> Thomas Davis Wrote:

> -------------------------------------------------------

> Yet you say nothing when it comes to design...

>

> Moron

"Moron"

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Still hearing crickets when it comes down to design elements.....

Keep trying to compare cars to lights techie

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Dirty30 Dillon /

> Thomas Davis Wrote:

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> Still hearing crickets when it comes down to design elements.....

>

> Keep trying to compare cars to lights techie

Is calling someone a techie a bad thing?

Why would I argue with you? You clearly are just spouting off common misconceptions and "gremlins" so try and prove a point that no one is disagreeing with you: old cars are simpler.

WillD and others have provided valid advantages to newer vehicles, yet somehow you are stuck on the repeating yourself over and over, a la your last three posts.

Your opinion on this is ignorant and inflexible. I hope for your sake, these aspects don't extend outside mechanics.

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You compared cars to light bulbs. That was your grand attempt at reasoning.

It's fucking dumb how people are pleased with making car payments for the rest of their lives due to planned obsolescence and how shitty the new cars are built.

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In the attempt of being reasonable I will allow the following to be noted.

1. New cars are more economical

2. New cars require less maintenance* aside from timing belt change

3. New cars are more safe generally

Now the all important disadvantage

1. New cars are designed to prevent repairs from being done outside of their manufacturers dealership

2. New cars are designed with no regard to accessibility of components, making repairs hellish for the mechanic and very expensive for the consumer

3.New car parts are designed with planned obsolence in mind so many compenents will last 2 decades or so and then you can expect costly failures

4.The quality of a rebuild of a modern transmission or engine is hampered by constant revisions.

So you have new cars that will go a couple hundred thousand miles for a couple decades but will then be relegated to the junkyard.. The modern mobile is shitty but has a purpose..like a bic lighter or something.

The ideal solution would be to manufacture cars with the intention of being serviceable while incorporating new technology.... This will never happen

Pick your poison, but the older cars can be upgraded, the older cars can be repaired easily, and when it comes to a new shit car that's 20 years old I would choose a 40 year old car as it would be easier to keep on the road.

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The problem is most people have no desire to keep a car for 20 years, so there is no draw for one to be built that way.

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> Stephen Keller Wrote:

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> The problem is most people have no desire to keep a car for 20 years, so

> there is no draw for one to be built that way.

I believe you've touched on the heart of the matter. The new cars are built in a very shitty way, (Despite having some advantages), that cater to the whims of the modern consumer.

It's the second or third car buyer that gets really screwed by this system.. Or anyone who thinks they can keep their car for a long time.. which upsets people when you tell them their car will wind up in the junkyard, lol.

People must be rich as hell. I for one do not want to make (Can't afford) a payment every month for the rest of my life.. It's just exponentially harder because you have to get an ancient car to avoid the planned obsolesce mobiles.

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People do not care anymore. They love ugly things. I can't figure it out, but they can have it.

Anyone who grew up in the era of beautiful chromed up solid cars longs for the old ones.

I'll also take a big Ford,Chrysler or Buick in a head-on against ANY Toymotor Cant-rolla or Honda or even the bigger Taurus.

You don,t wanna get hit by those full-framed cars.

So I'll be going back in time for my next daily driver. It'll have AC or be a convertible. I'm not buying the FWD junk they sell nowadays.

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Most people are not "into" thier cars, it is just a necessary evil, they are willing to pay a chunk of change every month to not have to worry about it, I get that, but I don't have to participate. :) My major gripe is the timing belt vs chain, just a cheap cop out, but if you must have one, make the engine of a non interference design so it does not eat itself when it breaks.

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> Stephen Keller Wrote:

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> Most people are not "into" thier cars, it is just a necessary evil, they

> are willing to pay a chunk of change every month to not have to worry

> about it, I get that, but I don't have to participate. :) My major gripe

> is the timing belt vs chain, just a cheap cop out, but if you must have

> one, make the engine of a non interference design so it does not eat

> itself when it breaks.

Non interference? That makes them no money,Stephen. They want that car in the shop, not under a shade tree or in some poor guy's garage. Big labor and parts when the valves hit the pistons. Timing belts......Blech!

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

The problem is most people have no desire to keep a car for 20 years, so there is no draw for one to be built that way.

Much like this car debate, you hear people complain about all the cheaper products coming from china but the reality is that its the consumer driving this trend. To build an Iphone in the states would cost like 10x more... everyone wants an iphone but everyone wants it cheap.

Cars are much like the iphone craze. Everyone rushes out to buy the latest model because it has less glare on the screen or it warms their balls while sitting in the pocket. Then not a few months later they are going out to get the next model which offers basically nothing ground breakingly new. (i think i made that word up). I know plenty of people with really nice cars that just talk about buying a new car. One guy i know has like a 5 year old Ford Focus ST in excellent shape and he is talking none stop about buying a new car.

Us "clingers" are a dying bread i think. Most people want change, we want stability.

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Glad we finally came to agrreements! this is fun again. Like i really did just wanna admit some advantages of new cars also. But I do fucking HATE the style of basically every car in the past 20 years. Also theyre fucking huge. and while I suspect we might disagree here too, I love tiny little cars from like gas crisis era. Those barely exist anymore.

Everythings either the same sedan or "crossover SUV" which are really just minivans with higher floors and standard doors for people whose shallow egos cant admit they just want a minivan.

New cars I kinda dig? I think the iQ is at least interesting, not even if you could call it a car, it's about the electric bicycle equivalent to a motorcycle, but they're so weird at least theyre interesting. Its like a souped up go-kart that's street legal

Ford's transit connect- pretty practical shape, manages to escape the pre-made molds. basic as fuck panel van. but damn if I wouldnt just rather have a classic econoline anyway.

I don't hate the subaru crosstrek, I'm sure they have no headgasket issues (lol - maybe after this long they finally got it right)

I do hate the new extended jeeps, why?! it's a classic platform that exists to be a very capable offroader in large part due to the short wheelbase, the only US 4WD that's not just a pickup or SUV and then they make it into a pickup and an SUV. Though they are definitely still pretty capable on/offroad even if most will never even see dirt

New jimny are pretty cool for being very capable and relatively simple and definitely small, but not sold in north america. :(

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I've tried to limit myself when it came to looks due to art being subjective and all, but it is true all the new cars look horrible!

And what about comfort and ride quality? I hate being jarred around in a new car!

I had a worn out 79 Cadillac that I drove regularly... I borrowed a new sedan, went down the same road and then realized the road was bumpy, lol.

The new car commercials are retarded as well. I saw a cadillac commercial and it was complete nonsense, it had a new shit mobile and some beebop song about "booty" and bang bang... Idk it made me sick, people are so dumb.

I love old Cadillacs and despise the new ones.

Working as a mechanic at my father's shop really gave me hatred for the new cars. Some of the repairs required were abusive to the mechanic! It's wrong that people do that to one another.

Also the customers who relied on their 20yr old cars were often completly fucked when transmissions and timing belts went out. College aged girls crying and such..... fuck that! The engineers live such blessed lives from cradle to coffin; they will never know the hardships they place on people with their shitty designs.

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

Also theyre fucking huge. and while I suspect we might disagree here too, I love tiny little cars from like gas crisis era. Those barely exist anymore.

I hate the size of cars. Old cars guzzle like 10mpg with those giant V8 engines. Somehow new cars still for the most part suck on MPG as well. Why is it with all the innovation we have, cars still are lucky to hit 30mpg. Personally i think the majority of the population should be in a small hatch back car. So freakin practical. Fold down the seats and you basically have a small van, and if everyone drove smaller cars you wouldnt need to worry about that massive SUV running you over.

The new mini work vans are pretty decent as well. Like the Nissan NV200. Not sure on reliability but they seem decent, and fairly simple.

Also the customers who relied on their 20yr old cars were often completly fucked when transmissions and timing belts went out.

To be fair, how many cars honestly make it 20 years of regular daily driving not requiring something more than a tune up? And if it doesnt have some bigger mechanical problem rust will probably take its toll. Ill send you a picture of my fathers 71 chevy truck from 20 years ago if you dont believe that. It was rotted out bad.

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