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Angry Hipster /

1970-79 Cadillac RWD for me not one design flaw.

Can't go wrong.

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> Thomas Davis Wrote:

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> 1970-79 Cadillac RWD for me not one design flaw.

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> Can't go wrong.

The passenger side spark plugs are a bitch to replace, and the auto dimmer stops working.(edited)

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Here's what Ramblers were made up of...…...

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrC0F8w4sNc_1YA9QRPmolQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByOHZyb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--?qid=20081114165440AAOZKRx

It's `Ring and Trunnion' and it was their rotten attempt to improve on the ball joint principle. Nothing to do with their choice of manufacturers for their other parts.Told you to look it up. LOL!(edited)

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> Don Ohio Wrote:

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> Here's what Ramblers were made up of...…...

>

> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrC0F8w4sNc_1YA9QRPmolQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByOHZyb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--?qid=20081114165440AAOZKRx

>

> It's `Ring and Trunnion' and it was their rotten attempt to improve on

> the ball joint principle. Nothing to do with their choice of

> manufacturers for their other parts.Told you to look it up. LOL!

Yahoo Answers is almost as reliable a source as Fox News.

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Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" /

Wow. Quite a bit of activity in this thread yesterday but i was too busy fixing new “shit” cars to reply.

First off, i want to thank you Willd for your creation/evolution post. You put my exact thoughts in to words in a rather tasteful manner. With my “bad attitude”, it probably would have come out far more offensive. Completely Ignoring facts and logic and being told to just “have faith” to explain away the impossible is just ridiculous and sad really. But sheep will be sheep.

Thomas wrote.........

“Working on old cars is regular work I can tolerate, but working under the dash or the cramped engine bays of todays cars; no way!! I just sucks, and if you don't believe me try and report back.”

Feel a little cramped under the dash? Just remove that shit.

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Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" /

That’s the second dash removal this week for me. Had to do both blend door actuators on an Expedition also. About 8hrs labor. It’s just nuts and bolts and you don’t get covered in black grime. What’s not to love?

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Angry Hipster /

"What’s not to love?"

For the paid mechanic it's great for the consumer it suckkkkssss

Also only the last plug by the firewall was tricky and not that bad. No jacking the car up or wheel removal or nonsense.

I never had the dimmer switch go out on the 7 caddys that I've owned but even if it did it would be a simple and easy repair.

Someone only spends 8hrs under a dash due to shit designs.

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would you rather your local mechanics be out of jobs?

i'm guessing you would be the first to complain when the unemployed mechanics were panhandling because cars were simple enough that all the owners could fix them themselves.

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Angry Hipster /

> A Zed Wrote:

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> would you rather your local mechanics be out of jobs?

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> i'm guessing you would be the first to complain when the unemployed

> mechanics were panhandling because cars were simple enough that all the

> owners could fix them themselves.

No, you have tons of people who have never even changed their own oil. Mechanics would still have work if cars were simpler and I know this because cars were simpler and shops still existed and did well. The old cars required more maintenance keeping the shops busy, now it's the dealership doing maintenance and the lesser shops receive all the crazy fucked up problems ie, 8hrs under the dash.

I mean if we build cars to be overly complicated to employ mechanics that is some weird economic automotive dystopia. .

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kevin Smellaflange /

so far since 1973...iv'e not had to bring the vw into the shop, i just did the valve adjustment last fall, i should be o.k. for a while....i'm sorry i did bring a tire in to be replaced as part of the tire warehouse deal, so i guess the shop did do something for me last year.

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> Thomas Davis Wrote:

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> "What’s not to love?"

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> For the paid mechanic it's great for the consumer it suckkkkssss

>

> Also only the last plug by the firewall was tricky and not that bad. No

> jacking the car up or wheel removal or nonsense.

>

> I never had the dimmer switch go out on the 7 caddys that I've owned but

> even if it did it would be a simple and easy repair.

>

> Someone only spends 8hrs under a dash due to shit designs.

I had a '72 Sedan DeVille for a while back when you could still buy gas for under a buck a gallon. I sold I when the transmission went out as gas prices shot up over $3/gal. I miss the ride but don't miss feeding it.

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Angry Hipster /

I wonder how the transmission went out. I drove a beat to hell 78 Sedan through college and when I first got it it would hesitate before going into gear. I pulled the pan and there was so much clutch in the bottom. I could scoop it up and make like snowballs with it. I replaced the filter added fluid and no trouble at all!

The Turbo 400 was so good they were used in Rolls Royce, Jaguar, and Mercedes I think. Other than costing money in fuel it is the best automatic transmission ever built. Extremely smooth and reliable.

In fact I really don't even want my shitty 94 2500 truck anymore due to the 4L60E going out. If it had a TH400 it probably wouldn't have went out, and even if it did go out I would have no question about rebuilding it as I know the rebuild would last a very long time.. The 4l60E is gambling... they are weak and problematic even once receiving a fresh rebuild.

I am really thinking about selling that truck and replacing it with an old caddy with a hitch. Much more comfortable than the truck and better built.

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Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" /

It’s kinda pointless to piss and whine about new car tech, even though i still do. They’re not going away and i’m sure they’ll only become more complex as time passes.

As far as poor design of things, yes, i’ve always said that i feel you should be required to have at least 10 years in the field repairing the junk before you’re allowed the design anything new.

I’ve also had similar thoughts on tools. Some guys are total butchers, and after they’ve fucked up and rounded the bolts off to everything trying to fix there shit and couldn’t, they tow it to the shop. I’m mean seriously, there’s no reason to have a 7/16” wrench anywhere near your Toyota.

Maybe some kind of tool certification or permit.

Same goes for spray paint. The rust wasn’t even hardly noticeable, but since you’ve sprayed paint that doesn’t match all over your car, the entire thing looks like shit now. Great job asshat.

“Excuse me sir. Do you have a permit for that can of fluorescent green?”

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Angry Hipster /

"As far as poor design of things, yes, i’ve always said that i feel you should be required to have at least 10 years in the field repairing the junk before you’re allowed the design anything new."

Fuck Yes!!! I wish I could force the engineers to perform every repair in the service manual then redesign the car knowing they would have to do it again...over and over and over.

In very short order we would have the best cars ever built....but no incentive to build it..economics suck sometimes.

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> Thomas Davis Wrote:

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> I wonder how the transmission went out.

I never bothered to diagnose it. Lost reverse, then a few months later first. It was a $400 car with over 200k miles when I bought it. I sold it for $400, my only major expenses while owning it was a battery and tires.

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kevin Smellaflange /

it is a great question to ask the mechanic what kind of tools you use...rounded nuts ...snap-on ''flank drive much''? Blaine your right about the 7/16 wrench near any Toyota

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Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" /

My go to for rounded, rusted, and hard to get to nuts and such is an air hammer with a long chisel bit. By far faster and more universal than anything Snap-on sells. Air hammer in the right hand and a firm grip on the shank of the bit with the left hand. Anchor the left elbow, forearm, or palm near the soon to be removed culprit. With some gentle trigger control, begin cutting straight in on a flank of the nut, on center and perpendicular to the axis of the fastener. At this point you’re trying to accomplish two things. You’re creating a notch for the chisel to stay engaged with, and as the chisel buries it’s face into the nut, it effectively spreads the nut to a larger diameter and loosens it death grip on the threaded stud.

So once a notch is established with light trigger, squeeze on the power to spread the nut, and while you’re still on the trigger, move your body to angle the direction of the air hammer to drive the nut counter clockwise. This usually takes maybe 10-15 seconds and most times a socket will still fit on the nut to be ran with a ratchet or wrench the rest of the way. Great for rusty exhaust nuts that no longer have corners on them. I usually do it without penetrating oil and such. Letting the rust dust escape works best. Once it’s loose, then add the oil.

Many times the nut can still be re-used. If it’s real stubborn, i may have to spread the nut on every other flank until it is loose. All without even making contact with the threads of the stud. Anchoring your arm near the area is the key to controlling it from slipping off and causing collateral damage.

Doing alignments with rack and pinion steering, often times the jam nut is frozen to the inner tie rod. In this case i use a flat hammer bit and just rattle flat on a flank of the nut for a few seconds. The hammer bit is too short to hold, so l’ll grap the front of the air hammer like some people hold a pool que, and rest my pinky and ring finger on the tie rod to steady things.

I’ve watched people struggle and fight with them, then they want to grab the torch. What a waste of gas. I blast it loose for them in 10 seconds and smile.

Snap-on’s PH50(?) air hammers suck. The trigger is basically an on off switch which results in lousy control. You need an air hammer with good variation in the trigger. I don’t know what brand mine is. The tag was long gone when i got it, but it’s from the 60’s or 70’s and it has a very smooth trigger with an easy tap tap tap idle to it. I took my Snapon home. What a turd.

Ok, back to what jesus would drive. This should clear things up for everyone.

A son says to his father, "Dad I just passed my drivers test and I was wondering if you could help me buy my first car".

His father said he’d make a deal with his son. "You bring your grades up from a C to a B average, study your Bible everyday, and get your hair cut. Then we’ll talk about the car.’"

The boy thought about that for a moment, decided he’d settle for the offer, and they agreed on it.

After about six weeks his father said "Son, you’ve brought your grades up and I’ve observed that you have been studying your Bible, but I’m disappointed you haven’t had your hair cut."

The boy said, "You know, Dad, I’ve been thinking about that, and I’ve noticed in my studies of the Bible that Samson had long hair, John the Baptist had long hair, Moses had long hair…and there’s even strong evidence that Jesus had long hair."

The Dad replied: ’Did you also notice they all walked everywhere they went?’



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i just realized i made a post or two directed at a different thomas on this or another thread. sorry, other thomas.

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people keep newer cars longer than people used to keep older cars.

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I dunno why I always wanna bring facts into these highly emotional discussions.

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Dirty30 Dillon /

That's a nice graph that disproves obsolescence.

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Overpriced Parts /

> Born to be WillD Wrote:

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> people keep newer cars longer than people used to keep older cars.

Plastic, carbon fiber and other oil/chemical based cars/car parts don't rust and degrade as fast as iron based,

Chemical based/natural gas based synthetic motor oil gives longer engine life then old types.

Fuel injection gives longer engine life unless you knew how to keep carb in tune/rebuild when needed, and if choke was stuck or you were running rich for a day or so engine oil need to be changed because it was gas contaminated and would increase friction and engine wear,

Most people didn’t know this so many times as soon as a carb would go bad (many times at 30k mi) the engine would start to go bad plus many people didn’t change oil/fluids per owner manual,

People didn’t do the more frequent tune ups old cars needed more then new ones when needed also.

Wasn’t as many quick oil change places back in the day and leaving car at a shop/full service station for all weekday was a pain because many stations were closed on the weekend so most had lack of maintenance and were traded for new cars every few years many times as soon as factory tires were worn,

I knew all this, knew how to work on carbs, do tune ups, fluids, brakes most simple repairs per manual intervals and changed oil once a month whether it needed it or not so I had many carbureted cars and vans last over 200k miles that still ran great

But since frames and body’s were iron based and I live in rust belt even running great most my vehicles were junked because of rust making them unsafe,

Actually most times I’m the last owner of most my cars and vans (I have 16 and 19 year old vehicles/vans now actually) I’ve owned, after I’m done with one there is not much left/not safe to resale!

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kevin Smellaflange /

the bodies of the newer work vans should be made to be worked on by the owner.

the engineers should not produce a vehicle that breaks down, ever. the boss should be able to send one of his workers over to fix what ever is wrong with anything work related. the worker should not have to be a specialist to produce a great out come of the work day.

if everyone knew how to fix every problem that came up, then anyone out sick wouldn't slow progress at work. so making more useful products is the answer.

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Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" /

> Brent Eaton Wrote:

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> the bodies of the newer work vans should be made to be worked on by the

> owner.

>

> the engineers should not produce a vehicle that breaks down, ever. the

> boss should be able to send one of his workers over to fix what ever is

> wrong with anything work related. the worker should not have to be a

> specialist to produce a great out come of the work day.

>

> if everyone knew how to fix every problem that came up, then anyone out

> sick wouldn't slow progress at work. so making more useful products is

> the answer.

Pffft. What?

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kevin Smellaflange /

reread it...or get your monkey to write ( wHAT?)

again..lol

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wut?

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kevin Smellaflange /

screen shot....lol

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wHaT?

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kevin Smellaflange /

does your wife know this is you do w/your day?

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