1 Timothy 4:10
"For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe."
1 Timothy 4:9-11 (in Context) 1 Timothy 4 (Whole Chapter)
So, that scripture says there are believers and unbelievers, but that the living God is the Saviour of both sets. Who is the Saviour? Jesus Christ of course. Therefore, Jesus saves ALL.
Although He's saved them, the free gift needs to be taken. Some reject this gift.
But I'm not gonna get into an argument here. (:
~ DeeZy Wrote:
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> Although He's saved them, the free gift needs to
> be taken. Some reject this gift.
>
> But I'm not gonna get into an argument here. (:
He saves the unbelievers, Deeze, because they don't know enough to accept the free gift. "Father forgive them, they know not what they do."
"Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord."
Tptwo Tptwotwo wrote:
"He saves the unbelievers, Deeze, because they don't know enough to accept the free gift. "Father forgive them, they know not what they do." "
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness.
- Mark 3:29
Man does not live by bread alone..But by every word that comes from the mouth of The Great Kahuna....(PS) ~my name for The Lord ,grand father , I am, from the Greek Jahoeva, or just plan ~Gramps~)
Don Sumpter "(OFMC)" Wrote:
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> Man does not live by bread alone...
That's right Don. And don't forget to get your jag on too.
“Give strong drink to the one who is perishing,
and wine to those in bitter distress;
let them drink and forget their poverty
and remember their misery no more.”
—Proverbs 31:6–7
Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" Wrote:
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> Don Sumpter "(OFMC)" Wrote:
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> > Man does not live by bread alone...
>
> That's right Don. And don't forget to get your
> jag on too.
>
> “Give strong drink to the one who is
> perishing,
> and wine to those in bitter distress;
> let them drink and forget their poverty
> and remember their misery no more.”
> —Proverbs 31:6–7
Amen. Hallelujah.
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel.
- Deuteronomy 17:12
"let you who is without sin cast the first stone"
"Fags put it in mu Butt"
what about non-believers? do they go too? or just believers who don't believe anymore?
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. Exodus 22:19
"Doomed" surely means there ain't no heaven in store for you.
Behold ..the Door is always open for they who should knock ~
^
"Then shall they call upon me but I will not answer; they shall
seek me early, but shall not find me."
- Proverbs 1:28
God sure makes it hard to figure out what he wants and is all about. Why all of the goofy writings of man to explain God's plan. Why all the variations of Christianity alone? Who's side is god on in a war?
He needs to come down, do a nice miracle to get everyone to believe once and for all. If he did that I bet he'd have the world's population running to him.
God=lousy salesman
Anyone play the game "Telephone"?
Boot 2Thehead Wrote:
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> what about non-believers? do they go too? or just
> believers who don't believe anymore?
Boot .. your question was answered in the first post.
1 Timothy 4:10
"... the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe."
1 Timothy 4:9-11 (in Context) 1 Timothy 4 (Whole Chapter)
Mars™ Wrote:
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> Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of
> the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD
> your God must be put to death. Such evil must be
> purged from Israel.
> - Deuteronomy 17:12
Thank be to God that we are no longer under the law of the Old Testament, but under grace of the shed blood of Jesus.
Hebrews Chapter One
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
I'll drink to that!
Mars™ Wrote:
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> Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord
> alone, shall be doomed. Exodus 22:19
>
> "Doomed" surely means there ain't no heaven in
> store for you.
But there's heaven in the motorcycle store for me.
Russell Greene Wrote:
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> God sure makes it hard to figure out what he wants
> and is all about.
That's because God is a woman.
Tptwo Tptwotwo Wrote:
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> Mars™ Wrote:
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> > Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of
> > the judge or of the priest who represents the
> LORD
> > your God must be put to death. Such evil must
> be
> > purged from Israel.
> > - Deuteronomy 17:12
>
> Thank be to God that we are no longer under the
> law of the Old Testament, but under grace of the
> shed blood of Jesus.
Yep. But it always struck me as odd how the Old Testament was good enough for Jesus, but somehow has been pushed aside by those that follow him. Who knows? It may have just be a blessing in disguise, as yet more proof that evolution is real. Man is evolving. Maybe some day soon, i pray, that in the progression of that evolution, that we may push aside the New Testament for an even newer testament, but what should it be named?
The Reality Testament comes to mind.
We could just convert to another existing religion, since the Christian faith is just about played out. One that's not so mystical, and full of secret hidden meanings that everyone continuously draws different conclusions from, in part from countless translations and the udder ridiculousness of much of it's content, and it's overabundance of contradictions. Something much more palatable, like Pastafarianism .
@Bob~ have you been getting into the LDS again ?
Don Sumpter "(OFMC)" Wrote:
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> @Bob~ have you been getting into the LDS again ?
Nope. I'm celibate.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I can barely believe I thought of that.
Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" Wrote:
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> Tptwo Tptwotwo Wrote:
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> > Mars™ Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict
> of
> > > the judge or of the priest who represents the
> > LORD
> > > your God must be put to death. Such evil
> must
> > be
> > > purged from Israel.
> > > - Deuteronomy 17:12
> >
> > Thank be to God that we are no longer under the
> > law of the Old Testament, but under grace of
> the
> > shed blood of Jesus.
>
> Yep. But it always struck me as odd how the Old
> Testament was good enough for Jesus, but somehow
> has been pushed aside by those that follow him.
> Who knows? It may have just be a blessing in
> disguise, as yet more proof that evolution is
> real. Man is evolving. Maybe some day soon, i
> pray, that in the progression of that evolution,
> that we may push aside the New Testament for an
> even newer testament, but what should it be named?
>
> The Reality Testament comes to mind.
>
> We could just convert to another existing
> religion, since the Christian faith is just about
> played out. One that's not so mystical, and full
> of secret hidden meanings that everyone
> continuously draws different conclusions from, in
> part from countless translations and the udder
> ridiculousness of much of it's content, and it's
> overabundance of contradictions. Something much
> more palatable, like Pastafarianism .
Pasta? You have Roman Catholic roots, right Crack? Pasta is very Italiano I have been told. The Pope lives in Italianoland .. hence .. Pastafarianism. (Oops .. it's already a religion .. Pasta this Pasta that Pasta Saucea. Time for something Arabic, Crack, How's Tabouliism.
Pasta is from Libya
Mars™ Wrote:
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> Pasta is from Libya
"First attested in English in 1874, the word pasta comes from Italian pasta, in turn from Latin pasta "dough, pastry cake", itself the latinisation of the Greek παστά (pasta) "barley porridge", in turn from παστός (pastos), "sprinkled with salt, salted".[8][9]"
> “Give strong drink to the one who is
> perishing,
> and wine to those in bitter distress;
> let them drink and forget their poverty
> and remember their misery no more.”
> —Proverbs 31:6–7
That's why I self-medicate!
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> > Tptwo Tptwotwo Wrote:
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> Pasta? You have Roman Catholic roots, right
> Crack? Pasta is very Italiano I have been told.
> The Pope lives in Italianoland .. hence ..
> Pastafarianism. (Oops .. it's already a religion
> .. Pasta this Pasta that Pasta Saucea. Time for
> something Arabic, Crack, How's Tabouliism.
Actually i have Presbyterian roots, and later had been 'born again' into the Baptist denomination, after which i had migrated into a non-denominational church. But the Catholic faith had been 'forced' upon me in order to marry a Catholic.
Since then, i've had a 'Revelation' of my own, and at that point, i declared my independence from any and all religion, as i had always had deep suspicions and doubts all the way back to early childhood. I knew i didn't belong there, and feel sorry for those that still are. So i'm sure i won't be signing up for Tabouliism any time soon. Although i am free of religion, which by the way has a much truer sense and feeling of being 'born again', I still retain Cristian-like morals, as most of us do, as most are just plain common sense.
I am now a 'completely' free man for many years, without a care of judgement from others, and though it is tough for me, i try to refrain from judging others, but once they start 'preaching the gospel, it's on. I've come to despise religion for the psychosis it breeds in some people like i had mentioned earlier, as my wife currently suffers greatly from it, and as a result, our entire family has suffered, and it has left me powerless to offer her much comfort. All in the name of Jesus fucking Christ. Amen.
My son actually introduced me to Pastafarianism awhile back. If you read about it, you'll come to realize it's not a joke. It is just as legitimate as any other religion. My son only took an interest in to prove a point in school. School policy was that no hats or headwear were to be worn in the building, except for customary religious headwear. He likes to wear one of his favorite fedoras, but had them taken away till the end of the day on several occasions, and had to pick them up at the office on his way out.
He saw the school policy as discriminatory and took action.
One day last year he took it upon himself, and i think in part of a dare from others, to wear the traditional headwear of the Pastafarian religion, a colander, to school. After making it through several classes, and then a trip to the office, and a phone call to me from school, he agreed to no longer wear his 'religious headwear' to school, even though he felt discriminated against for his religious beliefs. I told him "You've got a lotta balls." He said he had no fear because he knew he could prove that he was within his rights as the school policy had provided, plus it got him out of Biology class for half a period. But with great satisfaction to my son, and me, the school policy has been amended this year to state that:
5. Hats/headwear or sunglasses are not to be worn in the building.[PERIOD]
I'm proud of him :)
But no, i am not a follower of Pastafarianism, but i do find their scripture, with the whole pirate theme very entertaining and that their 'real'message to be based on truths. I especially like their fish logo. Being as though you stated that "feelings are for wimps", i thought you would find the humor in these pictures.
And a bit of news on Pastafarians proudly displaying their headgear. ...
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