MOPED ARMY

I dispute that, and having ridden just about every brand of moped for over 15 years, can say with authority Tomos ranks somewhere at the top of the heap.

While personal preferences do influance where someone rates a ped, Tomos and Puch seem to dominate every poll taken.

Now as for the kit - the 70cc Kit is a risky and dangerous move, especially for anyone less than a skilled professional mechanic, and in some cases, a nightmare even for them - some of those kits are of very poor quality.

I recall one forum member mentioning he had to re-drill the bolt holes in the cylinder of his because they were so maligned.

Add to this, that the kit (Take note here folks) WILL NOT WORK WITH THE A3 ENGINE - Period.

There are Technically three engines Tomos makes, but in reality it is only two.

The A3 - which is a hexagonal cylinder, and slightly different transmission.

The A5 - which is a larger, square cylinder, and smaller transmission.

The oft-mentioned "A35" is a misnomer, Tomos was considering mounting the A3 cylinder to thier new A5 Transmission, but (I am guessing here) apparently it never panned out, and they went with the whole-hog upgrade to the A5.

Part of the problem rests in the documentation given with some of the Tomos mopeds, it states "A35" instead of "A3" or "A5".

The A5 has a pistonarm of slightly different size, and hooking that kit up to the A3 is a recipe for disaster no matter how good it is.

In addition, the Upgrade kit for Tomos is of some really half-ass engineering, to be frank, a combination of Euro parts that other than the Bi-Turbo, aren't even remotely meant for this moped, the carb in that kit is also somewhat too small, and results in a dangerously lean mixture.

So, basically, you have to have flawless precision with installing the kit, and then constant babying and tinkering with it to get it to run right, and still every chance beyond that, no matter how you try to prevent it, that it will selfdestruct.

A stock Tomos, however...will last years and years, even of very hard use, the Bullet is somewhat more durable than the Targa, and the Golden Bullet was the best, but for cost reasons, they made the slightly shoddier Sprint to replace the Bullet, and the Targa to replace the Golden Bullet and stuck with that.

Puch is also one of the tough hangers-in, but there's been very little luck with one of those kits on ANY moped around here, it just pushes the limits of the moped too far in many cases, and one has to remember that the rest of the components are not made to take that kind of stress, particularly the transmission.

Your best bet for maximum upgrade, Tomos or Puch, would be a larger carb and jet, Bi-Turbo muffler, and change-out of sprockets....and if you are really good with tools, perhaps advance the timing a bit.

Many members of this forum have one or more of those upgrades and have done very well with them, so ask around and see what worked for who.

I have the kit on my Targa TT LX, but it requires total and constant nitpicking to keep it running right, and is always on the edge of disaster, so I am probably lookin at taking to off myself.

Hope all that info helps someone...

-Ree

P.S. - If you don't like Tomos, try riding a Jawa or a Kinetic for a year.....

Buy a targa i have one with a biturbo on it that goes about 50 mph and i couldnt be more happy and everything has lasted on but personally i hate the bodys of tomos. They are cheap and plastic even the most experienced rider dumps it once or more in there lifetime and to be frank i wouldnt wqant to be riding a tomos when i dumped it. First you destroy the side covers and then thats a nice 20 bucks or so and then there goes the turn signal hmm 30 bux a piece lets see what else will break . I Love my puch its built solid . I have a maxi ls and its tough but i strongly dissaprove of the speed kit all i did to make mine fly at about 45 mph was to take the shot air filter of and then i took a small screen and wrapped it around the intake as to not let to much air and dirt into the intake which would later on hurt the piston. I thentouch a cutting tourch a burned out the first set off baffels because i could not move them . Its a little bit louder but screems btw if you want speed there alot more things you can do to fix that. One use a split fire plug(will hurt engine in long run but not to bad) take airfilter off. Get a bigger jet ( dont drill it out).Change your sprocket. or Advance the hell out of the timing. Unless you have CDi in that case i dont know also i use 130 octane and NO IT DOESNT HURT ENGINE it smellls like chili peppers(generally its ment for planes)

Fox

i have tomos targa 1992. the brakes did suck that is until i sanded the inside drum and the brake shoes.i have the metal side panels but they arent on for a couple reasons. i hate the new plastic ones they look shitty. i put a biturbo on it and it goes 40. that is the max of any stock cylinder moped... dont let anyone elses tell you diferent. as for the spedo i had a cable and it broke. i mean what do i care the spedo read 6 mph at walking speed(me geting of and walking it) i walk at a pace of 2.5. so to solve this problem i took of the cable and invested 35 dollars into a nice bicycle spedo(very very acurate!!) i had to j.b weld the magnet on the wheel but i dont worry because its on there very well. i recently rebuilt the tranny,crank,cylinder,piston and everything else and the thing about tomos is the tranny is very simple. as long as u keep trany fluid in it it works very nice. i am thinking about getting a 70cc kit. i mean i am very skilled and im only 14. i think as long as i keep enough tranny fluid in it it will work fine. so i will invest my money in the kit. i really dont think it will mess up my moped in any way. if it does ill replace the part no biggy. well plz respond

-mike

$600 just to fix your trans, WOW

Crazy Wayne , How exactly do you find these interestingly funny threads form 02/19/01 , it is 12/23/10 ? Its funny how much these forums and members have changed in such a short time . Oh no , dont get one of those stupid Kits ! LOL