haha so iv posted numerous times about this shit...but anyone know of any sites that have better clutches...besides the stock ones from mopedjunkyard?
haha so iv posted numerous times about this shit...but anyone know of any sites that have better clutches...besides the stock ones from mopedjunkyard?
help out
no.
they do not exist.
Stock is your only option.
FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!well does anyone know if they were able to modify the stock clutch in some damn way
the biggest modification is to assemble it right, and keep fresh fluid in it.
Lots of people run 3 thick metal plates, and only one thin spacer on the end.
Why do you want a stronger clutch? did you blow yours up, or have you just heard that sachs clutches are weak?
i have a bunch of NOS sachs clutch plates if you're interested
hmmmm well like haha i hit 55 or 60 and it wound out and fuck its self...now bartell what do you mean by that assembly would you be able to walk my ass through it? and ryan i have like shit tons but im not to sure if itll work...but i need some type of help. ut ryan ill keep ya in mind for sure
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I don't know how to walk you thru it on line. the manual on moped riders for the general has the process in it.
nah mike im talking about the whole thing about 3 disks and a thin one, know anything of that.?
Hes referring to the metal plates. You have three of them. The outer most plate(closest to the nut) is thinner. Get an extra thick one and replace the thin one. Then get a thinner washer. What the bell sits on. Most important is keeping the clutch cool and wet. Those clutches splash out and get hot. Ive been experimenting with fluids. When rebuilding the clutch make sure you deglaze the surfaces on all the pads and plates. Also make sure the bike is on its side when assembling the clutch. Put the the pieces back in one at a time and make sure you tap them all the way down. As far as tuning that clutch, its all on the springs. I just tried doubling the springs to make the clutch grab later. Did very little. want to find springs about ten times the stiffness. That should get me closer to the power band.
David,
what fuids would you suggest as working best? i'm afraid of sachs's clucthes ...
I may be picking up a sachs soon, i'll have to tune he clutch as it slips at high rpms. however I'm a complete novice.
when you say deglaze, what procedure would take place?
to make sure if i am understanding correct:
"the outer most plate(closest to the nut) is thinner. Get an extra thick one and replace the thin one. Then get a thinner washer. What the bell sits on."
you would have it assembled as: thick--thick--extrathick--washer--nut ?
thanks
Unless you kitt it out and go over 50 the clutches are fine....
if you put new pads in you wn't have to worry about deglazing. but if you try to use the old ones, you just need to lightly sand themto rough them back up. after a lot of use they can get "glazed", meaning that they get a shiny, smoother surface from the friction.
yup I told you so And I'm only going to say it two more times I told you so and yup wait for it wait for it I told you so
Not extra thick, just all thick Thick-thick-thick-nut. Im running DEX/MERC high mileage at the moment. Wanted something with the least amount of slip and the best heat management. Ok thus far. Not many miles yet. But I run it hard. Regeared to 11x31 double springs and a 210lb rider. Anyone know of a better fluid then what im running? Does anyone know what type of spring that is in the clutch?
It's a donut. And may God have mercy on the soul of anyone who breaks that, the only replacements I've seen are the 20 mph version
well i have3 clutches now, the original, a one out of a 505/1a and i just stopped at a junkyard, and found a eagle 1 sachs with a 505/1d clutch and its nice and thick and only payed 10 dollars for it
Not talkin about that. Im talking about the springs between the discs. That sit below the pads. Theres gotta be a name for that type of spring.
Its called a disc spring. Mcmaster-Carr has them in just about any size, thickness, height, and load you could imagine. I think this is how we can tune the Sachs clutch!!! If you order some please post the type you got and the results. They're like $2.80 a pair. Whos down for some R and D? Calling team Foxi.
oops..... got a little excited.
PLeas tell me how stiffer springs will allow tightness?
It seem it would never engage...but then again, I know little of clutches
Stiffer in the clutch would engage later, lighter sooner. a little more torque?
Ok so, the fundemental problem is the clutch is slipping at high speed...wouldnt a stiffer spring not alow it to engage at high speeds???
Mine doesn't slip at high RPM. Its slips off the line. Im not talking about fixing more about tuning. If its slipping at high RPM I would say switch to the 3 pad 4 disc set up. Increase your surface area for better hold.
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