I want to buy a motorcycle..

Matt Wilson /

I want to buy a motorcycle by next spring. I've been looking around online and it seems that you can get some 70's era Hondas and Yamahas for less than $1000.

I've never ridden a motorcycle before and I don't really know how to shift. So I want something pretty small, less than 500cc I think.

Does anyone have any suggestions? I have enough money to buy a new bike, but I'm pretty good about repairs, and I'm sure that as a first time user I'll be rough on a motorcycle. Maybe in the future I'll get a Yamaha R6 or R1 but right now I just want something that I won't kill myself on.

What would be a good first motorcycle?

And what is the life of a piston and rings on a motorcycle?

Thanks

Matt

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Honda 250 Rebel. Looks great, runs forever! Under $3,000.00 brand new.

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> I've never ridden a motorcycle before and I don't really know how to shift. So I want something pretty small, less than 500cc I think.

500cc or under is a good plan .. (you are a pretty big guy right ?)

> Does anyone have any suggestions? I have enough money to buy a new bike, but I'm pretty good about repairs, and I'm sure that as a first time user I'll be rough on a motorcycle.

> but right now I just want something that I won't kill myself on.

Good plan .. because so many young guys buy WAAAAY too much bike .. even a 20 year old stock 500cc bike is faster than a Mustang 5.0.

Plus .. you WILL crash it a few times from simple mistakes .. and new bikes cost a ton of $$ to fix all that plastic.

> What would be a good first motorcycle?

There are tons of good ones .. I would get whats called a 'standard'

> And what is the life of a piston and rings on a motorcycle?

Streetbikes are all 4 strokes .. they will all go 50,000 miles minimum before they would need pistons/rings .. (providing the owner has done the recommended minimal maintenance and doewsn't have any bad luck).

Go here and read the recommendations

http://beginnerbikes.com/

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.. and you can get some real decent used ones for $800 to $1200

.. motorcycles are toys and 'fads' .. people don't wear them out .. they just want a different image .. or they find out that riding motorcycles wasn't what they thought it was.

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You can take a motorcycle safety class, they are offered all over the place and most of them are free, they provide a bike for each person and helmets and instruction, the course is something like 22 hour, fri night all day sat and sun. they teach you how to ride with no experience, and how to ride the safest. They will give you a card after the class that may get you lower insurance rates, and in some states exempts you from have to take the DMV test. You can do a search on the net and find a class near you.

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Hey man

I almost bought a 1980 Honda CM200 from a friend of mine for $800, but needed to put money into my car, so couldn't do it... Those are nice bikes. At 200ccs, they don't go over 55-60 mph, so you're limited on where you can ride. That's the only problem.

Here's a CB200 on Ebay right now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1856068847

Any of the late 70s or early 80s Japanese bikes are really nice in my book. NO CROTCH ROCKETS. Maybe it's because I like mopeds from that era.

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I had a 1976 RD350 yamaha. great bike. 2stroke 2 cylinder 350. would hang with any 4stroke bike up to 650 at the time, after i got thru ,(expansion chambers, k&n filters, port work...) would make guys on 750's feel ashamed...

later models were 400's, would do the same stock, used to have to race in same class as the 750's back then, before I bought mine used (1984). replaced by the RZ350, water cooled, with fairing, ran mid-12's stock it the 1/4 mile.

if you can find one in good shape under $2k, snap it up.

RD's (350,400) were more 'standard' bikes. RZ350 more 'cafe racer' style.

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My son just upgraded from a Suzuki OR50 which is actually a 50 cc 5 speed small motorcycle. He learned how to shift on this, didn't take him long and this bike tops out at about 60 mph.

He is 17 and about 6 feet tall and thin so we started looking at Honda Rebels (used). Like Ike said, you can get brand new ones for $2999. They come in a 250 cc and also a few 450 CCs around. He (we) agreed that he would probably outgrow the 250 cc pretty quickly but I didn't want him to get too much bike. So we were considering a Honda ? something under 500 cc.

In our research we lucked out and found a 1989 Honda Shadow VT600 VLX for about $1000. Blue Book is around $2800. The previous owner had a fender bender on it and scared the pee waden out of him I guess so he doesn't want to ride anymore. The only damage was a broken turn signal, bent handle bars and a few scratches on the chrome. Forks and wheels were straight.

Since my son learned to wrench on all these mopeds and ride and shift his Suzuki he is ready to tackle a bigger bike. He has also made friends with the local Honda dealer mechanic and is using the public library for Service and Repair manuals.

He is going to CC-Riders Basic Riders training school (this is required to get a M1 license if you are under 21).

As a Dad I am concerned about him riding a bigger bike but he is a good rider, safe and rides defensively.

So I would say check out the used Honda Bikes Matt. Try www.CycleTraders.com, Yahoo classifieds and your local paper and of course EBay.

Here are a couple of good links to educate yourself before you decide.

http://www.clarity.net/~adam/buying-bike.html

http://www.100megsfree4.com/honda/

Good Luck and Happy Trails

Honda_Shadow_VT600_VLX.jpg

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Were are you located I could make you a deal on a 1974 Honda cl 350. THansks KEvin

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Matt Wilson /

Should I stay away from older 2 strokes?

And if not how many miles is it before they need rings and pistons changed

Thanks for the links, this is really helping me out

Matt

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Here's the address for the Motorcycle Safety Course. (Highly recommended!)

Ben

http://www.msf-usa.org/pages/ridertrainingfs.html

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Look around a lot.

I agree with Fred a standard is what you want- the seat shouldn't be too high or low, and they are very stable bikes.

I have a Kawasaki kz440B- it's the same as the late 70's kz400's but with a little bigger engine and no kick start.

Old honda 350's are a good starter that you can find anywhere- and they made MILLIONS of them.

Look for something that runs, has a title and you can pick up, off of yourself.

Having something that has electric AND kick start is a really good idea. That's one reason I'm thinking about getting rid of the KZ440

Take the motorcycle safety course.

See Fred's previous post

http://mopedarmy.com/forums/discuss/1/54799/54790/

I would recommend you move up to 4 stroke for your first bike but I defer to Fred on this one as I don't have a lot of experience with 2 stroke motorcycles except my son's Suzuki OR50. This Suzuki 2 stroke has been pretty bullet proof but my son only does casual riding and hasn't put a lot of miles on it.

If you can afford a newer or later model bike, you get better technology like CDI ignition, etc.

I would recommend taking a good look at a late model Rebel 250. When I grow up, this is what I want. : )

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Matt,

Having ridden street and dirt for a number of years I would recommend learning how to ride a nice size dirt bike before you take on a street beast.

The reason I'm saying this is it's easier on you and the bike when you go down, and you will go down. Also, you can build your confidence in handling a lot more machine at speed. Your balance, maneuvering and knowledge of "what can and will happen" with a bigger machine will be valuable when you decide your ready to run the streets.

If you don't have access to trails or a place to ride a dirt bike and you would like to get into street bikes, definitely take the safety course and practice in a huge parking lot and get to know your bike. The things that will save your hide will be learning evasive maneuvers, panic stops and know that YOU ARE INVISIBLE on the road. You have to assume that no one can see you and ride accordingly. Riding a moped at 25-30 mph is one thing, riding a motorcycle at 60 - 100 mph doesn't leave much room for error.

Riding on the street is a great time, a lot different than dirt, but fun just the same. Good luck in finding your bike. I'd buy a 500 - 600 if that's what you're looking into. You can hurt yourself just the same on a 250. The reason you'll want to go to a larger size is you will need the larger displacement when you run the bigger roads. The 250 will run with traffic but it will "feel better" knowing you have the extra power when you need it.

Good luck and ride safe,

Joe

I run a 700cc v4 HONDA 6 speed.

Learned how to ride on a 185cc SUZUKI, on dirt, mud, snow and ice

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I'm in Cincinnati, but I can't afford a bike right now. No time to work on one, either. I'll keep you in mind when I do get some money saved up. Thanks

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Matt Wilson /

Does anyone know about the service intervals on a 2 stroke motorcycle?

Check out this honda I found on ebay. Its on the other side of the country and selling for 3k+ but I'd love to get one like it

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Nice red X

Can't see what bike you are talking about.

Why do you list an ebay ad on RPI's server ???

Just put the ebay URL right in your post between a pair of these ...

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and one of these at the end >

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Service intervals on 2 stroke streetbikes ?

OK .. there are no new 2 stroke streetbikes right?

The newest is 17 years old (Yam RZ350)

Next newest is 23 years old (Yam RD400).

From new ?

(you'd have to pick a specific bike for a better answers)

Rings should go around 10 or 15 thou

Pistons bout 15 or 20

Crankshafts 20 or 25

(based on proper lube and no 'mistakes')

For buying a used bike .. those numbers aren't very useful ... the most useful info would be to have the bikes complete riding and maintenance history and have an experienced mechanic tell you what LIKLEY to be next.

Top end jobs on 2 strokes are so easy that the labor is nothing.

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wow...thats a great site. has alotta bikes that most ppl would end up killin themselves on though, but also alotta great starters

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Matt Wilson /

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Try this. I cut and past the HTML and I forgot to chop out the rpi stuff.

Anyways... Fred what kind of compression would a 2 stroke motorcycle have? And what about a 4 stroke?

I have my gauge so I could do a quick check to make sure the rings and piston are in acceptable shape.

I really like the 60-70's japanese standard/cruiser styles

Matt

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minutemade /

i'd say go with a 250cc or somewhere around there for a starter bike,just don't be afraid to test your bike to the limits so if you do get in a situation you can hopefully get out of it.....i agree on the older hondas,suzuki made 125's and i think 200's that look almost the same.

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http://www.ozbikeusa.com/

These guys are making steet legal, mini choppers & cruisers that make a rebel look like the total girlie bike it is...

http://www.allwebscooters.com/knight_50.asp

50cc 4stroke 4-speed streetbike.

http://www.derbi.com/

50cc street, sport, race, off-road, and scooters.

the GPR Racer Replica is my personal favorite. (50cc, 13,000rpm Redline, 13:1 compression!!!, 6-speed manual, front & rear disc brakes, NOT A MOPED...)

the Fenix is a 70's/80's style 'Universal' bike. (11.5...)

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My '74 Harley FLH doesn't get used that much for short runs.

Jim

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Those are my favorite motorcycles too. I want a 350 Honda Dream myself....If I were to ever get a motorcycle that is.

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InfectedBootSector /

Ike, I saw those to, and may be getting one next Summer. I knew I should have stayed away from this scooter! I got the Honda bug again!

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Matt Lorence /

How about a 70's era enduro bike, that way you can have some fun off road too. I just got a 76 Hodaka 125 Wombat, paid $6.00, needs a little over $400.00 to be 100% refinished, and to look like it just rolled off the assembly line. I have seen this bike sell for $1000.00, so $406 is a pretty good deal.

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I learned on a 175 Susuki enduro...Enough power to drop it a few time...Then a 400 Kawi 3 cyl 2 stroke...Too many carb adjustments...My 350 honda Xlr was the most reliable...Honda may not be the fastest stalk, but they seem to run forever...I just got a Honda P.C. 50 and it is a lot tighter than my Mobylette...

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we sold a 78 yamaha 350 not to long ago.. that mofo would fly it was 2 stroke too and would run most 4 strokes plane off the road.. it was my uncles he kicked the can when he was 21 or so and the bike had been parked for ages.. my other uncle sold it and his bultaco about the same year.. I probly hsould have sowed intrest in them.. they both were pretty damn near mint... they always took great care of them.

anyways.. hey matt.. tha tbke looks like Zundapp Kinda like My moped.. try looking for a Zundapp Moptorcycle.. damn I would love one..

Hey did anyone see those water cooled 50cc mopeds from like early 80's? damn that would be too cool! (pardont eh pun)

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